Jamaica Photo - What Approximate Year ?

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Jamaica Photo - What Approximate Year ?

Postby newkirk » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:47 pm

About what year would you figure ?

I think about 1955 when steam was to be retired.

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Re: Jamaica Photo - What Approximate Year ?

Postby docsteve » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:15 pm

All of the cars look to be gray (including the train distant left), so into the 1950s.
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Re: Jamaica Photo - What Approximate Year ?

Postby nyandw » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:33 pm

The tender appears to be as follows; The last twelve G5's 39-50, delivered in 1929-30, came with these tenders, also class 110P82a. Notice the line of rivets near the top below the equipment trust plate and the longer collar at the top of the coal space. The conversion involved removing the inner sloped sides of the coal space. These were originally sloped because these tenders were built for stoker firing, hence the line of rivets at the top. The coal space was shortened, a 45 degree slope sheet put in and the deck height was raised to match the G5 firing deck.

The passenger car (#454, 464, 484?) behind the G5s and Lines West tender is definitely in the Tichy scheme, as is the MU car at the left. Definitely not in the dark Tuscan Red scheme.

Tichy scheme was inaugurated on 11/01/49 per the "Long Island Railroader" This image can't be prior to that and, as it's summer, it would have to be 1950 thru 1954. Windows open, employee in cab in short sleeves, trees in background full leaf. Tichy was on cars during those years. If we could determine the road number of the locomotive we could tell for sure whether this was 1950 or later. Without a road number to check, and with the cars not looking like they've been recently painted, I'd go with c. 1951-52.
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Re: Jamaica Photo - When?

Postby timz » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:14 pm

If we can believe the date on this pic

http://digitalcollections.archives.nyse ... t_id/25904

the tank wasn't there in 1947. But probably there soon after, so no help.

The dark-on-light number on the car at right-- were they all like that?
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Re: Jamaica Photo - When?

Postby nyandw » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:36 pm

timz wrote:If we can believe the date on this pic http://digitalcollections.archives.nyse ... t_id/25904
The dark-on-light number on the car at right-- were they all like that?

It's a Tichy scheme: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirrcontents.htm
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Re: Jamaica Photo - What Approximate Year ?

Postby belpaire » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:31 am

The LIRR installed ATS (or was it ATC?) in 1952 according to Zeil. This involved adding a roller bearing to the first axle of the second truck of the tender for a speedometer.

Since this tender has the roller bearing, it has to be at least 1952.
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Re: Jamaica Photo - What Approximate Year ?

Postby Head-end View » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:21 pm

There is also the small rectangular bulge on the front of the MU train under the engineer's front window for ATC installed after 1950. So yeah probably 1952-56. Last steam ran in 1956, right?
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Re: Jamaica Photo - What Approximate Year ?

Postby nyandw » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:31 pm

belpaire wrote:The LIRR installed ATS (or was it ATC?) in 1952 according to Zeil. This involved adding a roller bearing to the first axle of the second truck of the tender for a speedometer.

Since this tender has the roller bearing, it has to be at least 1952.


Great! Is it ATS, ATC, ASC (automatic Speed Control)? Thanks
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Re: Jamaica Photo - What Approximate Year ?

Postby amtrakhogger » Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:20 am

nyandw wrote:
belpaire wrote:The LIRR installed ATS (or was it ATC?) in 1952 according to Zeil. This involved adding a roller bearing to the first axle of the second truck of the tender for a speedometer.

Since this tender has the roller bearing, it has to be at least 1952.


Great! Is it ATS, ATC, ASC (automatic Speed Control)? Thanks


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Re: Jamaica Photo - What Approximate Year ?

Postby nyandw » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:16 pm

Thanks Folks for the clarification of ASC
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