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Fred Weber photo - ID Where are we?

Postby nyandw » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:24 pm

Just received this Fred Weber image: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/temp/Weber-001.jpg

Here's what I see thus far:

1. So we have vehicles behind the shelter that indicate 1957+ The station wagon behind the sign, perhaps 1960+? (Chevy 57 at far right)
2. Appears we have a turnout branching left (where the person is) photo center.
3. The siding/branch is in front of the truck and station wagon behind the shelter AND has a crossing gate to protect, just left of truck.
4. Looking at the shadows (it is Winter) it seems this is an afternoon photo view E
5. The photo indicates electrification double track.

Best, Steve :-)
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Re: Fred Weber photo - ID Where are we?

Postby MattAmity90 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:35 pm

Looks like Oceanside, the power lines used to look like that (six on top, two on bottom). Now they are three on top two on bottom, the line curves in the background over a canal, and right around that corner is East Rockaway.

oceanside21.jpg
Oceanside today (photo by Jeremiah Cox)
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Re: Fred Weber photo - ID Where are we?

Postby nyandw » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:21 pm

Reviewing Emery maps the curved siding across the road, with gate crossing, and near left curve in the photo rear just don't fit...
Perhaps this building may stir a memory OR it may still exist!

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/temp/Weber-zoom.jpg

Too bad I can't post the photo, just the link, but the pixel image error still exists with no input from railroad.net... :-(

Input I have received: It looks like the Long Beach or Far Rock branches. It can't be the West Hempstead branch as that was single track except at West Hempstead and this station is NOT West Hempstead. Thanks Folks.
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Re: Fred Weber photo - ID Where are we?

Postby dieciduej » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:03 am

nyandw wrote:Reviewing Emery maps the curved siding across the road, with gate crossing, and near left curve in the photo rear just don't fit...
Perhaps this building may stir a memory OR it may still exist!

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/temp/Weber-zoom.jpg

Too bad I can't post the photo, just the link, but the pixel image error still exists with no input from railroad.net... :-(

Input I have received: It looks like the Long Beach or Far Rock branches. It can't be the West Hempstead branch as that was single track except at West Hempstead and this station is NOT West Hempstead. Thanks Folks.


I was intrigued so I tried it myself. And I don't know the location.

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Re: Fred Weber photo - ID Where are we?

Postby MACTRAXX » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:20 am

Steve:

After looking again at Fred Weber's picture, Google Maps aerial view and my own experiences in
traveling around the LIRR electrified zone I think that this could be one of two locations:
Hewlett (looking westward towards Gibson-Far Rockaway Branch)
Copaigue (looking eastward towards Lindenhurst-old ground level station)
The vehicles and metal waiting shed visible help to date this picture during the 1960s.

Another problem with the photo is that the text on signs is not further readable. A good tip to
the location could be a posted phone number - which could be matched up with local exchanges.
Are there any other companion pictures that look like they were taken at the same location?

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Re: Fred Weber photo - ID Where are we?

Postby SwingMan » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:44 am

Sure looks like Oceanside, facing railroad west from the eastbound platform.
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Re: Fred Weber photo - ID Where are we?

Postby MACTRAXX » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:37 pm

SwingMan wrote:Sure looks like Oceanside, facing railroad west from the eastbound platform.

SM: I agree with you - the only other place that makes sense other then Hewlett or Copaigue
is Oceanside judging by the station area and roadways - and a left curve in the background visible.
I sometimes wonder why photographers do not further identify their pictures - but this is what can
make this subject just that much more interesting - the "where are we?" factor...MACTRAXX
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Re: Fred Weber photo - ID Where are we?

Postby MattAmity90 » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:23 pm

Hewlett's low-level platforms were at the curve just past the current high-level platforms.

Copiague's low-level platforms with the curve would have the power lines on the left, and the lower tier in this photo has two wires when Copiague has always had four on the lowest tier. Plus Strong Avenue is past the curve, there is a grade crossing in the background not too far from where the photographer is. Copiague only had two grade crossings: Strong Avenue past the curve, and Great Neck Road at the West end of the platforms.

I'm sticking to Oceanside with my skill of identifying locations by memory. Just past that curve is East Rockaway, and even though you can't see it, it goes over a small canal before the curve.
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Re: Fred Weber photo - ID Where are we?

Postby Andrew Saucci » Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:38 pm

The one clue I can add is that the two lampposts to the right are the same style that was used by the Town of Hempstead in the 1950s and 1960s, so Oceanside or Hewlett would be in the running.
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Re: Fred Weber photo - ID Where are we?

Postby nyandw » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:32 pm

MACTRAXX wrote:Steve: After looking again at Fred Weber's picture, Google Maps aerial view and my own experiences in
traveling around the LIRR electrified zone I think that this could be one of two locations:Hewlett (looking westward towards Gibson-Far Rockaway Branch)
Copaigue (looking eastward towards Lindenhurst-old ground level station)The vehicles and metal waiting shed visible help to date this picture during the 1960s.

Another problem with the photo is that the text on signs is not further readable. A good tip to the location could be a posted phone number - which could be matched up with local exchanges.Are there any other companion pictures that look like they were taken at the same location?MACTRAXX


Yes! Received them last evening. First, the shed has Oceanside Press as the sign and the other Fred Weber photos 3/29/1960 that show the 2nd station clearly at Oceanside! I also posted the Emery maps of the area: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/longbeachbranch/long%20beach%20branch.htm
Here's the station:
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/longbe ... rrison.jpg

My thanks to all that helped with this one! Nice. :-)

P.S. "...I sometimes wonder why photographers do not further identify their pictures - but this is what can
make this subject just that much more interesting - the "where are we?" factor...MACTRAXX...."
Well put, and an ongoing issue today with digital file names of Di002x0001.jpg!
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Re: Fred Weber photo - ID Where are we?

Postby nyandw » Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:21 am

Oceanside-Station_ViewSW_3-29-1960_Weber-Morrison.jpg
nyandw wrote:
MACTRAXX wrote:Steve: After looking again at Fred Weber's picture, Google Maps aerial view and my own experiences in
traveling around the LIRR electrified zone I think that this could be one of two locations:Hewlett (looking westward towards Gibson-Far Rockaway Branch)
Copaigue (looking eastward towards Lindenhurst-old ground level station)The vehicles and metal waiting shed visible help to date this picture during the 1960s.

Another problem with the photo is that the text on signs is not further readable. A good tip to the location could be a posted phone number - which could be matched up with local exchanges.Are there any other companion pictures that look like they were taken at the same location?MACTRAXX


Yes! Received them last evening. First, the shed has Oceanside Press as the sign and the other Fred Weber photos 3/29/1960 that show the 2nd station clearly at Oceanside! I also posted the Emery maps of the area: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/longbeachbranch/long%20beach%20branch.htm
Here's the station:
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/longbe ... rrison.jpg

My thanks to all that helped with this one! Nice. :-)

P.S. "...I sometimes wonder why photographers do not further identify their pictures - but this is what can
make this subject just that much more interesting - the "where are we?" factor...MACTRAXX...."
Well put, and an ongoing issue today with digital file names of Di002x0001.jpg!
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