Sandite E401+E591

Discussion of the past and present operations of the Long Island Rail Road.

Moderator: Liquidcamphor

Sandite E401+E591

Postby PlaneLoverA380 » Sat May 05, 2018 6:50 pm

Hello everyone,

I have some questions about the sandite/alcohol M1s. Short story. I remember the first time I saw a sandite. Born in September, my house was right next to the OB branch. I remember seeing the M1 pumping that "pancake batter"! And I said, "I like that train. Flaps!" I was talking about the vents. Now for my questions.

1. I saw E591 with the front left door on the left side partially open. Somebody was sticking their head out the gap. What is the purpose of this? I would be terrified of other trains!

2. Vents, vents and more vents! :-D RFW, cab window, forward passenger window. Why so many vents? Do the solutions have to be temperature-controlled?

3. Will an M7 become a sandite or alcohol? Would break my heart to see that. :(

4. What about the E prefix? 9401 became E401, 9591 became E591. Wondered about that all my life.

Last question: Anyone have an inside photo?

Thanks,
PlaneLoverA380
"Railfanning is a hobby. Railfanning M3s is a job. Railfanning rare moves is a way of life."-Railstormers leader aka me
User avatar
PlaneLoverA380
 
Posts: 36
Joined: Wed May 02, 2018 2:04 pm
Location: Railfanning at Mineola

Re: Sandite E401+E591

Postby nyandw » Sat May 05, 2018 8:40 pm

Image
Photo: Mario Craig

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirrmow.htm#Alcohol%20Cars
Alcohol:
W84- MP54, ex LIRR 1691, Believe this was part of a restaurant in Water Mill. Disposition unknown - Scrapped?
W85- P74B, ex B&M 4590, in KO
W86- ex B&M, Scrapped in 2004

Sandite:
2907, P72, built Pullman Standard 1955, LIRR as a bar car and sandite car, at RMLI
2909, P72, built Pullman Standard 1955, in Morris Park

Alcohol/Sandite
E401, M1, currently used, ex 9401
E591, M1, currently used, ex 9591
9775, M3, In process of conversion to alcohol/Sandite car

"The LIRR currently uses two M-1 cars to "slime" the rails during falling leaf season. Modified M-1's 9401 & 9591 (now E-401-591) are utilized sandwiched between a pair of MP15's.They operate entirely at night and are serviced at Richmond Hill during the day.

There are also leaf crusher trains. These consist of two MP15's and gravel hoppers. They crush the leaves on the Oyster Bay , Pt. Jeff, Montauk, and Greenport branches. These trains are based at KO and Wellwood siding and operate at night."

Both sandites and leaf crushers have run on the branch simultaneously, and have been on the branch with both. Leaf crushers are operated on the branch to pulverize leaves that may be wedged in the circuits for the crossing gates. If leaves are not crushed, the potential for leaves to impede a circuit and crossing gates to stay up while a train goes through a crossing increases. All leaf crushers are run at the direction of the train dispatcher. Information courtesy: Ben Jankowski, Oyster Bay RR Museum
User avatar
nyandw
 
Posts: 3387
Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:41 am

Re: Sandite E401+E591

Postby ConstanceR46 » Sat May 05, 2018 10:32 pm

re: 4; Eventually, but you won't see it until the M1s crap themselves and any replacing M3s also crap themselves; trains in MOW service don't last forever.
ConstanceR46
 
Posts: 267
Joined: Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:57 pm

Re: Sandite E401+E591

Postby PlaneLoverA380 » Sun May 06, 2018 7:28 am

Thanks, but what about the vents? I found the E prefix was for a passenger-converted work car.
"Railfanning is a hobby. Railfanning M3s is a job. Railfanning rare moves is a way of life."-Railstormers leader aka me
User avatar
PlaneLoverA380
 
Posts: 36
Joined: Wed May 02, 2018 2:04 pm
Location: Railfanning at Mineola

Re: Sandite E401+E591

Postby Bad Luck » Sun May 06, 2018 7:58 am

M7s are presently used for alcohol duty.
User avatar
Bad Luck
 
Posts: 85
Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:32 pm

Re: Sandite E401+E591

Postby PlaneLoverA380 » Sun May 06, 2018 11:31 am

Bad Luck wrote:M7s are presently used for alcohol duty.

You mean the toilets? 😑
"Railfanning is a hobby. Railfanning M3s is a job. Railfanning rare moves is a way of life."-Railstormers leader aka me
User avatar
PlaneLoverA380
 
Posts: 36
Joined: Wed May 02, 2018 2:04 pm
Location: Railfanning at Mineola

Re: Sandite E401+E591

Postby BuddR32 » Mon May 07, 2018 12:31 pm

The vents that are in place of the windows are in the F-End area. This is where the on-board generator is, it is partitioned off the rest of the car.

Not sure what the E in the car number is for.

The M3 cars are also utilizing a mate if you will, for the crew to ride in, its heat and lights powered from the equipment car.
BuddR32
 
Posts: 186
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:14 pm

Re: Sandite E401+E591

Postby newkirk » Mon May 07, 2018 3:03 pm

nyandw wrote: W84- MP54, ex LIRR 1691, Believe this was part of a restaurant in Water Mill. Disposition unknown - Scrapped?

Is this the "Ping" you're referring to ? (Both photos July 1991)
Image
Image
February 1980 - W84 ?
Image
Bill Mangahas (AKA Newkirk Images LLC)
Train to Rockaway Park now boarding on Track 22
User avatar
newkirk
 
Posts: 336
Joined: Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:39 pm
Location: Farmingdale,NY

Re: Sandite E401+E591

Postby ConstanceR46 » Mon May 07, 2018 6:40 pm

W84 was scrapped or MIA 2007? When the property was redeveloped, she got the boot.

(The uniqueness of arch-pings makes me really grateful for OBRM and their car.)
ConstanceR46
 
Posts: 267
Joined: Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:57 pm

Re: Sandite E401+E591

Postby R36 Combine Coach » Tue May 08, 2018 12:39 am

ConstanceR46 wrote:The uniqueness of arch-pings makes me really grateful for OBRM and their car.
Boonton, NJ had a long string of them (1927 P54D coaches) until scrapped in 2011. Purchased by a local developer for a rail themed retail outlet, but sat derelict for three decades.
Since my friend continues to chain smoke nonstop, she is probably an Alco.
User avatar
R36 Combine Coach
 
Posts: 5178
Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:51 pm

Re: Sandite E401+E591

Postby newkirk » Tue May 08, 2018 6:14 am

W-84 ?....Bay Ridge Branch scrap line. GT/E's behind "ping" (January 17, 1993)
Image
Boonton, NJ (Both Photos February 1981)
Image
Image
Bill Mangahas (AKA Newkirk Images LLC)
Train to Rockaway Park now boarding on Track 22
User avatar
newkirk
 
Posts: 336
Joined: Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:39 pm
Location: Farmingdale,NY

Re: Sandite E401+E591

Postby ConstanceR46 » Tue May 08, 2018 9:58 am

Newkirk, any more scrapline pics? Those are interesting as heck!
ConstanceR46
 
Posts: 267
Joined: Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:57 pm

Re: Sandite E401+E591

Postby newkirk » Tue May 08, 2018 6:32 pm

ConstanceR46 wrote:Newkirk, any more scrapline pics? Those are interesting as heck!


I have a couple more, when time permits.

Was that W-84 on the scrap line ?
Bill Mangahas (AKA Newkirk Images LLC)
Train to Rockaway Park now boarding on Track 22
User avatar
newkirk
 
Posts: 336
Joined: Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:39 pm
Location: Farmingdale,NY

Re: Sandite E401+E591

Postby ConstanceR46 » Tue May 08, 2018 7:30 pm

Fits the bill; might've been pulled off for cheap?
ConstanceR46
 
Posts: 267
Joined: Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:57 pm

Re: Sandite E401+E591

Postby PlaneLoverA380 » Wed May 09, 2018 8:47 am

And so the thread derails...

Like the first day of M1 service!
"Railfanning is a hobby. Railfanning M3s is a job. Railfanning rare moves is a way of life."-Railstormers leader aka me
User avatar
PlaneLoverA380
 
Posts: 36
Joined: Wed May 02, 2018 2:04 pm
Location: Railfanning at Mineola

Next

Return to Long Island Rail Road (LIRR)

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: gamer4616 and 7 guests