Class of NY&A vs LIRR

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Class of NY&A vs LIRR

Postby DaveBarraza » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:11 pm

Trying to get the deal on Non-Rule-261 operations using the LIRR's SCOR-based rule book - while there are still parts of the railroad using it! -areas where signals don't grant authority to move and do not supersede the superiority of trains (opposing trains at least).

Are the NY&A jobs (RS60, RS70, etc.) considered extras, or second class trains? To head east and switch Brookhaven Rail, does NY&A need a Form A, and Form L with a "Run extra" order in Box 5? Of course, after all that, they would still need a "clear block" displayed out past Knickerbocker Ave as well.

I'd like to implement the east end as accurately as I can in HO... Thanks,
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Re: Class of NY&A vs LIRR

Postby workextra » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:33 pm

NYAR trains are run as extras.
LIRR no longer has superiority by class in its rules and hasn’t since af least the 80s
All LIRR scheduled trains by that point and possibly earlier were of the first class. So that with 251/261 class becomes void.
Because NYAR is for profit and paying to use LI tracks, they have an agreement that they have to run unless some unforceen circumstance, weather event, ect, prevents it. Or so I been told.
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Re: Class of NY&A vs LIRR

Postby RGlueck » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:21 am

Does the LIRR or NY&A still generate freight from shippers and receivers on the Island?
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Re: Class of NY&A vs LIRR

Postby workextra » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:47 am

If your referring to outbound freight generated on LI,it’s if anything C&D and resular trash .
I haven’t followed that end of the freight so I’m not sure what else If anything is exported.
Maybe a NYAR brother could contribute.
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Re: Class of NY&A vs LIRR

Postby DutchRailnut » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:26 am

your questions would probably be better answered over in the NY&A forum.
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Re: Class of NY&A vs LIRR

Postby DaveBarraza » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:40 pm

Thanks workextra!

...Shows how old my surplus rulebook is!

That's an interesting tidbit about NYAR having some assurance they won't get sidelined by LIRR transportation. I always wondered what their "Status" was as a contractor on LIRR.


workextra wrote:NYAR trains are run as extras.
LIRR no longer has superiority by class in its rules and hasn’t since af least the 80s
All LIRR scheduled trains by that point and possibly earlier were of the first class. So that with 251/261 class becomes void.
Because NYAR is for profit and paying to use LI tracks, they have an agreement that they have to run unless some unforceen circumstance, weather event, ect, prevents it. Or so I been told.
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Re: Class of NY&A vs LIRR

Postby LINYARailfan » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:26 am

DaveBarraza wrote:Thanks workextra!

...Shows how old my surplus rulebook is!

That's an interesting tidbit about NYAR having some assurance they won't get sidelined by LIRR transportation. I always wondered what their "Status" was as a contractor on LIRR.


workextra wrote:NYAR trains are run as extras.
LIRR no longer has superiority by class in its rules and hasn’t since af least the 80s
All LIRR scheduled trains by that point and possibly earlier were of the first class. So that with 251/261 class becomes void.
Because NYAR is for profit and paying to use LI tracks, they have an agreement that they have to run unless some unforceen circumstance, weather event, ect, prevents it. Or so I been told.

workextra,
My question is since the LIRR is doing track work this weekend 3/24-3/25 on the mainline due to the second track construction project does NYA typically work the mainline east of Ronkonkoma in these circumstances? Another question I have is when the second track construction project is complete and the LIRR is running half hour service on the Ronkonkoma branch, how will this impact the current and future NYA freight operations primarily east of Ronkonkoma?
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Re: Class of NY&A vs LIRR

Postby DaveBarraza » Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:47 pm

East end job runs out of Pine Aire. They won't be able to get out on the main this weekend due to the shutdown between Farmingdale and Ronkonkoma.

In terms of the east end after second track is done, Unless they are planning to operate a second set of equipment on the scoot I don't think much will change for the NY&A east of KO. AFAIK RS60 is working nights anyway. - They now occasionally run a daytime job out to Brookhaven Rail, I suppose second track will actually make that easier -they can just follow the passenger runs without worrying about plugging the opposing trains in single track.

West of KO however, you might see the job switching Coastal / Posillico and the rest working later at night. Just a guess.

Maybe workextra knows more...
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