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Backshophoss wrote:Running a singe pair of(2) cars thru the gaps means you have to make a "speed" run so as to be able to coast thru the gap
(at a speed too high to be safe at some locations)
Believe it was 2 pairs(4 cars) back when the M-1's were first brought online for service.
Using "Hot stick" jumping cables is an unsafe practice now,even in the shops,using battery powered car movers there.
NY Central at a running repair shop for 3rd rail locos(at Harmon) used "Hot stick" jumpers to move the P-2's and T-motors thru that shop.
newkirk wrote:Thank you MattAmity90.
I wonder if those 2 and 4 cars trains became gapped out ?
MACTRAXX wrote:NK: April 20, 1969 would either make this M1 a test train or a Mineola/East Williston MU run.
Keep in mind back then the Mineola-Huntington Electrification was under construction.
The LIRR would learn that the shortest M1 trains that could be practically run would be four cars
thanks to the large gaps in places such as either side of Jamaica Station. Later as Krispy mentions
that would become six cars due to the long gaps in the crossovers between Valley Stream Station
and the West Hempstead Branch going across both Babylon Branch tracks especially going east.
The Herricks Road crossing was NOT the widest in electrified territory but what made it dangerous
was that the gates would stay down for longer periods of time - what I am not sure about was if the
HR gates would go down when westbound trains were stopped at Mineola Station. This could make
motorists impatient and then a few would chance fate and run around the lowered gates.
The 3/14/1982 Herricks Road accident occurred 36 years ago this month. Search this as written and
information can be found such as the NTSB report (H-82-015 was the NTSB record number) along
with news reports. viewtopic.php?f=63&t=66264 was a previous discussion.
Getting back to the original topic what the LIRR found is that short trains could be subject to third
rail gap troubles and that running longer MU consists could solve this problem.
MACTRAXX
MattAmity90 wrote:MACTRAXX wrote:NK: April 20, 1969 would either make this M1 a test train or a Mineola/East Williston MU run.
Keep in mind back then the Mineola-Huntington Electrification was under construction.
The LIRR would learn that the shortest M1 trains that could be practically run would be four cars
thanks to the large gaps in places such as either side of Jamaica Station. Later as Krispy mentions
that would become six cars due to the long gaps in the crossovers between Valley Stream Station
and the West Hempstead Branch going across both Babylon Branch tracks especially going east.
The Herricks Road crossing was NOT the widest in electrified territory but what made it dangerous
was that the gates would stay down for longer periods of time - what I am not sure about was if the
HR gates would go down when westbound trains were stopped at Mineola Station. This could make
motorists impatient and then a few would chance fate and run around the lowered gates.
The 3/14/1982 Herricks Road accident occurred 36 years ago this month.
viewtopic.php?f=63&t=66264 a previous HR crossing discussion.
Getting back to the original topic what the LIRR found is that short trains could be subject to third
rail gap troubles and that running longer MU consists could solve this problem.
MACTRAXX
I know why the crossing was the most dangerous, aside from the facts that the distance between Mineola and Merillon Avenue is only a mile with the crossing precisely halfway in between, the old NASSAU interlocking was located between Mineola and the crossing, it was four lanes wide, and the ends of the gates on each side did not meet the yellow lines leaving a clear path for a car to go around or straight through. What was or is the widest crossing in electrified territory.
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