I miss the "Summer of Hell"

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I miss the "Summer of Hell"

Postby Commuter X » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:19 pm

All summer long, no problems

This morning, 30 minutes late. This evening, 45 minutes late

I guess things are back to normal
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Re: I miss the "Summer of Hell"

Postby freightguy » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:53 pm

Good point,

I was asking a few railroad friends if the reduced service kinda helped ease the traffic flow problems. One in every 5 trains not making their way to Penn in the morning may of helped with normal bottlenecks. For instance less trains piling up at an interlocking. Probably put a lot less stress on system even with 20% less trains. Wonder what years those service levels at with those train volumes? It goes to prove how badly the the third track is needed even with the current service levels.
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Re: I miss the "Summer of Hell"

Postby EuroStar » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:32 am

NJT riders are observing the same. Comes to tell you how over-stressed and over-used the infrastructure is. The trains are scheduled up to the physical maximum possible with the tracks and signals currently installed. There are no gaps in the schedule allowing time for recovery. One train being delayed at a stop for an extra minute because of heavy traffic or another reason easily propagates exponentially to the following trains which given all the complicated dance of locals and expresses and the merging lines makes for the usual state of commute, e.g. 15-20 minute delays are normal. During the summer with the reduction of number of trains there were 'gaps' in the schedule allowing for recovery. That is not the case during normal operations.
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Re: I miss the "Summer of Hell"

Postby DogBert » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:03 am

Subway riders definitely don't share this sentiment. The 7 train was a conga line of congestion every morning due to the added passengers transferring at HPA.
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Re: I miss the "Summer of Hell"

Postby JamesRR » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:26 am

freightguy wrote:Good point,

I was asking a few railroad friends if the reduced service kinda helped ease the traffic flow problems. One in every 5 trains not making their way to Penn in the morning may of helped with normal bottlenecks. For instance less trains piling up at an interlocking. Probably put a lot less stress on system even with 20% less trains. Wonder what years those service levels at with those train volumes? It goes to prove how badly the the third track is needed even with the current service levels.


Exactly. My NJ Transit morning train was on-time or early all summer. On Tuesday this week, back to being delayed, crawling into Penn. Same on Wednesday.

The service reduction during the summer showed how the "normal" service is beyond maxed out, and until more capacity is added, the problems will continue indefinitely.
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Re: I miss the "Summer of Hell"

Postby andrewjw » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:39 am

I wonder if Hoboken traffic will be up in the next few months as some people might decide their Hoboken accommodations were more pleasant than returning to Penn. If so, potentially NJT might slightly decrease the number of midtown direct trains to ease the bottleneck.
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Re: I miss the "Summer of Hell"

Postby mp15ac » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:52 pm

Wednesday morning's problem wasn't the fault of the LIRR. One of Amtrak's trains broke down in tunnel 2.

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Re: I miss the "Summer of Hell"

Postby Amtrak7 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:09 pm

mp15ac wrote:Wednesday morning's problem wasn't the fault of the LIRR. One of Amtrak's trains broke down in tunnel 2.

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Correct, but the exact incident couldn't have happened over the summer - the train in question is Amtrak 69, the Adirondack, which was combined with the Maple Leaf during the summer.
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