Penn Station New West End Concourse Opens

Discussion of the past and present operations of the Long Island Rail Road.

Moderator: Liquidcamphor

Penn Station New West End Concourse Opens

Postby MNCRR9000 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:53 pm

The service can still be a misery, but at least Penn Station commuters have a better stationscape.

The new West End Concourse for Penn, beneath the landmarked Farley Post Office on Eighth Ave., opened Thursday, surprising commuters who were used to entering the city in a dingy, confusing and cramped place.

“I didn’t believe that it would look this nice,” said John Honig, 42, who commutes an hour and a half from Ronkonkoma. “It’s clean and well-designed.”

The space is the first phase of a project to redevelop the post office into a train hall for LIRR and Amtrak passengers. The development, to be called Moynihan Station for the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.), is slated to open in 2020.


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/new ... -1.3250545
https://ny.curbed.com/2017/6/15/1580774 ... ost-office
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/tran ... 1.13738616
MNCRR9000
 
Posts: 796
Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:04 pm
Location: Syosset,NY

Re: Penn Station New West End Concourse Opens

Postby KT3 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:49 am

I walked through the new West End Concourse this morning on my way out of Penn. Unlike the rest of Penn, it's actually a nice, clean, open area with wide corridors, plenty of light streaming through and less of dungeon-like feel than much of Penn. Of course, like most MTA and LIRR facilities, signage is a problem - confusing and lacking in certain parts - but perhaps they will fix that in time.
KT3
 
Posts: 24
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:46 am

Re: Penn Station New West End Concourse Opens

Postby geico » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:23 am

Needs Ticket machines... I know they want people to use E-tickets but theres no reason to make everyone walk to the Exit Concourse to get a ticket
geico
 
Posts: 367
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:54 pm

Re: Penn Station New West End Concourse Opens

Postby scopelliti » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:58 pm

Pat
User avatar
scopelliti
 
Posts: 498
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:35 pm
Location: Big Flats, NY

Re: Penn Station New West End Concourse Opens

Postby adamj023 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:24 am

I sent a suggestion to MTA that they add ticket machines for LIRR in the West End Concourse. Makes sense considering a ticket machine gives a captive audience and revenue to the MTA.

If enough of us send in the suggestion, they will have machines installed in the near future. One would have thought they would have prewired for communications and electrical when Skanksa built out the concourse,

I was waiting on this for awhile since having easier access at Penn Station was needed due to overcrowding and traffic flow to subway connections. Adding the ticket machines would be an added benefit that hopefully will come online soon.
adamj023
 
Posts: 103
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:03 am

Re: Penn Station New West End Concourse Opens

Postby geico » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:49 am

They were in the process of installing ticket machines at the very top of the entrance from 8th/33rd as soon as you enter.

However there are no ticket machines in the WEC itself... which means people coming from the 8th ave subway or NJT have to make their way back to the other concourses.
geico
 
Posts: 367
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:54 pm

Re: Penn Station New West End Concourse Opens

Postby adamj023 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:02 pm

geico wrote:They were in the process of installing ticket machines at the very top of the entrance from 8th/33rd as soon as you enter.

However there are no ticket machines in the WEC itself... which means people coming from the 8th ave subway or NJT have to make their way back to the other concourses.


I see. The entrance upstairs I presume is the Post office building door on the side which leads to the concourse downstairs. I gather they finished the project before the ticket machines could be added. Seens likely they will add more ticket machines after the new ones are installed inside the concourse itself due to the network design, ie placement of electrical and communications. So if they are in process of adding more machines, which I wasn't aware of in the upstairs portion, it is likely the whole area will get new machines and was probablt already in planning stages before I even submitted my suggestion. The machines also have cameras in them and security is also a consideration with the placement as well.
adamj023
 
Posts: 103
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:03 am

Re: Penn Station New West End Concourse Opens

Postby geico » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:10 am

adamj023 wrote:
geico wrote:They were in the process of installing ticket machines at the very top of the entrance from 8th/33rd as soon as you enter.

However there are no ticket machines in the WEC itself... which means people coming from the 8th ave subway or NJT have to make their way back to the other concourses.


I see. The entrance upstairs I presume is the Post office building door on the side which leads to the concourse downstairs. I gather they finished the project before the ticket machines could be added. Seens likely they will add more ticket machines after the new ones are installed inside the concourse itself due to the network design, ie placement of electrical and communications. So if they are in process of adding more machines, which I wasn't aware of in the upstairs portion, it is likely the whole area will get new machines and was probablt already in planning stages before I even submitted my suggestion. The machines also have cameras in them and security is also a consideration with the placement as well.


I dont think so because the signage says go upstairs or back towards the exit concourse.

Have not seen any NJT machines on 5-12
geico
 
Posts: 367
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:54 pm

Re: Penn Station New West End Concourse Ope

Postby adamj023 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:50 am

geico wrote:
adamj023 wrote:
geico wrote:They were in the process of installing ticket machines at the very top of the entrance from 8th/33rd as soon as you enter.

However there are no ticket machines in the WEC itself... which means people coming from the 8th ave subway or NJT have to make their way back to the other concourses.


I see. The entrance upstairs I presume is the Post office building door on the side which leads to the concourse downstairs. I gather they finished the project before the ticket machines could be added. Seens likely they will add more ticket machines after the new ones are installed inside the concourse itself due to the network design, ie placement of electrical and communications. So if they are in process of adding more machines, which I wasn't aware of in the upstairs portion, it is likely the whole area will get new machines and was probablt already in planning stages before I even submitted my suggestion. The machines also have cameras in them and security is also a consideration with the placement as well.


I dont think so because the signage says go upstairs or back towards the exit concourse.

Have not seen any NJT machines on 5-12


NJ Transit machines won't be in the new concourse or upstairs at this point as the concourse is now for LIRR and Amtrak. Also no extention for Nj Transit only tracks either and all that is up in the air at this point. One shouldn't expect it, at least not for a long time if it even does happen.

However LIRR is in the concourse. It isn't hard to change signage. They likely didn't have ticket machines in place yet and wanted customers to know how to get to existing ticket machines. They could easily add new ticket machines and keep or replace signage.

It seems to make sense to have at least one ticket machine down there. Looks like there is enough space for it and no reason to keep people out of the concourse either.

http://lirr42.mta.info/stationInfo.php?id=8 shows existing locations of ticket machines including the new one by the upstairs of the concourse. They will obviously monitor usage flow of ticket purchases at the new concourse and I predict additional machines will be added in the next few months as they determine if people wil use them. The MTA has added ticket machines in additional areas in stations over the years.
adamj023
 
Posts: 103
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:03 am

Re: Penn Station New West End Concourse Opens

Postby geico » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:20 pm

Less than a week open and the new concourse already has a busted escalator.
geico
 
Posts: 367
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:54 pm

Re: Penn Station New West End Concourse Opens

Postby adamj023 » Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:17 pm

geico wrote:Less than a week open and the new concourse already has a busted escalator.


That is common with the MTA. Lots of new escalators the MTA installed have broke down in various stations. Also new elevators as well.

If the station doesn't have stairs I will not use it. Some 2nd avenue stops are escalator only apparently. Not sure if its just one entrance or the whole stop.

Hopefully Lhota gets the MTA back in order. Repairs with qualified crew isn't hard to do.
adamj023
 
Posts: 103
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:03 am

Re: Penn Station New West End Concourse Opens

Postby Head-end View » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:24 pm

All escalator equipped stations should be required to have stairwells also. :wink:
Head-end View
 
Posts: 2292
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:00 pm
Location: The second row on a SEPTA Silverliner V


Return to Long Island Rail Road (LIRR)

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: nyandw and 7 guests