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LIRR seeks to lease 8-21 MARC coaches (for Montauk Summer)

Postby GojiMet86 » Fri May 19, 2017 7:10 pm

Page 49

http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/ ... 0_LIRR.pdf

LIRR seeks board approval to award a non-competitive Inter-Governmental lease agreement with Maryland Transit
Administration ("Maryland-TA"), a modal division of the Maryland Department of Transportation, for the lease of
between 8-2 l passenger coach cars in the Not to Exceed amount of $ 4, 159, 700 covering a three year term (one year
base plus two one-year options). These cars will be put into service during the summer months, in order to increase
overall seating capacity on the Montauk branch.
Pursuant to an extensive direct outreach of regional commuter railroads, LIRR located this equipment , performed
inspection and testing, and determined it to be compliant with FRA 49 CFR, operational and in good condition, having
come off of lease to Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority ("SEPT A") earlier this year. Due to the
compatibility of this equipment with LIRR's infrastructure, only minor wiring adjustments (i.e. modifications to the
speed settings, boards and components) will be required in order to run with Diesel Electric ("DE")/Dual Mode ("OM")
locomotives. LIRR plans to modify cab cars to operate on the head end, adding 8 cars to service in the first year and
increasing the number of cars to be leased to a maximum of twenty one in option years 2018 and 2019. MTA will
provide training to LIRR train operators, maintenance personnel as well as to a LIRR Trainer in order to ensure proper
operation, maintenance and troubleshooting practices are followed and ordinary repairs are performed responsibly.
Under the agreement, LIRR is responsible for all routine repairs and maintenance, in accordance with the original
equipment manufacturer's standards, including normal running repairs. LIRR will order any required specialized parts
from Maryland-TA and MTA will transport and invoice LIRR for the cost of parts at the end of the term.
Leasing this equipment is cost effective as it enables LIRR to meet the demand of its seasonal customers, while avoiding
long term fleet investments under current budgetary constraints. Leasing also affords LIRR time to re-assess long term
fleet needs, deferring to such time that the diesel fleet is ready for replacement, and until such time that other initiatives
impacting future capacity (ESA, Main Line Second Track and Main Line Expansion and ) are implemented.
MT A's lease price of $15,570 per car per month, is fair and reasonable based on their certification that they are offering
their "Most Favored Customer" rate and the same rate charged to SEPTA and AMTRAK earlier this year. Option years
reflect a 0% escalation factor. Also included in this request is $1,000/month per car for spare parts, which will be
provided on an as-needed basis by Maryland-TA. Maryland-TA will invoice parts to LIRR at their cost plus shipping and
handling and no further mark-ups, which is also fair and reasonable.
This lease agreement is exempt from MBE/WBE goals as there are no opportunities to subcontract work out.
This work will be reimbursed from LIRR's Operating budget.
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Re: LIRR seeks to lease 8-21 MARC coaches (for Montauk Summe

Postby onorclose7 » Sat May 20, 2017 9:30 am

There was talk of this a few years ago but nothing ever came of it
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Re: LIRR seeks to lease 8-21 MARC coaches (for Montauk Summe

Postby MACTRAXX » Sat May 20, 2017 6:12 pm

Everyone: (pages 48-49 in LIRR Committee document)

Good move to lease MARC single level cars for the 2017 summer season and more...

From riding these cars in SEPTA service as well as once riding an Amtrak Thanksgiving Holiday
extra train back in 2000 they are a good comfortable fit for the LIRR and reasonably priced for
lease with the previous SEPTA lease coming to an end...

They should follow through with this one ASAP for the looming summer ridership increases...
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Re: LIRR seeks to lease 8-21 MARC coaches (for Montauk Summe

Postby NH2060 » Sat May 20, 2017 7:25 pm

Excellent news! Even if they can't add another frequency to the timetable other summer trains could get 1-2 more bilevels added.


I do wonder if these cars could see use on the Main Line east of KO and on one or two Montauk trains in the off season (depending on how many cab cars in in the mix) in order to free up a few bilevels for Patchogue, Oyster Bay, and Port Jeff trains.
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Re: LIRR seeks to lease 8-21 MARC coaches (for Montauk Summe

Postby Backshophoss » Sat May 20, 2017 8:23 pm

While the lease idea is a good,will MARC allow LIRR to modify the Cab signal system installled to work with the ASC?
And will MARC allow mods to the Cars for that 38 point MU-Comm set up used on the DE30's and the C-3 cars?
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Re: LIRR seeks to lease 8-21 MARC coaches (for Montauk Summe

Postby DutchRailnut » Sun May 21, 2017 7:37 am

they do not need to change car wiring, just make a special jumper with 27 pin on one end and 32 pin on other.
only thing that might need changing on cars is polarity (sequence) of hep (rotation)

yes there needs to be a cab signal mod on cab signal as it has less aspects than LIRR version with ACS.
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Re: LIRR seeks to lease 8-21 MARC coaches (for Montauk Summe

Postby BuddR32 » Sun May 21, 2017 11:04 am

More engines?
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Re: LIRR seeks to lease 8-21 MARC coaches (for Montauk Summe

Postby Uncle Cheapo » Sun May 21, 2017 12:30 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:they do not need to change car wiring, just make a special jumper with 27 pin on one end and 32 pin on other.
only thing that might need changing on cars is polarity (sequence) of hep (rotation)

yes there needs to be a cab signal mod on cab signal as it has less aspects than LIRR version with ACS.

The LI tried something like this before I believe. They MUed a Amfleet coach to a C3 with the "compromise" jumper cable. I don't think it worked out!?
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Re: LIRR seeks to lease 8-21 MARC coaches (for Montauk Summe

Postby DutchRailnut » Sun May 21, 2017 1:55 pm

think it was C1 but due to cars being 32 volt they could not work things out. same why the Metra E8's did not work with C1's
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Re: LIRR seeks to lease 8-21 MARC coaches (for Montauk Summe

Postby MACTRAXX » Tue May 23, 2017 3:12 am

R32 and Everyone:

Does anyone remember MARC's now-retired GP40WH-2 locomotives?

Does anyone know the current whereabouts of any of of these locomotives and if they could be
purchased or leased by the LIRR alongside the MARC cars? The GP40WH-2s could be a perfect fit
and with required modifications where necessary (such as notching the pilot to clear third rail)
they could become a backup of sorts to the limited DE/DM30 fleet. The one drawback is that
they are straight diesels and not usable on any through train to NYP.

Only 2 to 4 of these locomotives could provide a needed backup and allow added services that
will be provided by the leased MARC car fleet for more flexibility when the need arises...

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Re: LIRR seeks to lease 8-21 MARC coaches (for Montauk Summe

Postby DutchRailnut » Tue May 23, 2017 5:59 am

some were rebuild and are at sunrail with new cab
http://www.trbimg.com/img-5823a8e6/turb ... n-20161109

others are left in weeds after heading for MBTA with very poor result
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Re: LIRR seeks to lease 8-21 MARC coaches (for Montauk Summe

Postby 4behind2 » Tue May 23, 2017 8:29 am

The Metra E8's only operated with the C1's.

There were no C1 Cab Cars.

By the time of the Amfleet test, the C1's were gone.
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Re: LIRR seeks to lease 8-21 MARC coaches (for Montauk Summe

Postby Publius Plunkett » Tue May 23, 2017 10:22 am

The E8's were pulled from the C1's because they were too slow to meet a schedule. They were compatible with the C1's or made compatible. Dutch it was a performance issue not a compatibility issue.
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Re: LIRR seeks to lease 8-21 MARC coaches (for Montauk Summe

Postby DutchRailnut » Tue May 23, 2017 10:43 am

because they could not use both engines at same time ?? due to 32 volt trainline ?
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Re: LIRR seeks to lease 8-21 MARC coaches (for Montauk Summe

Postby STrRedWolf » Tue May 23, 2017 6:58 pm

MACTRAXX wrote:R32 and Everyone:

Does anyone remember MARC's now-retired GP40WH-2 locomotives?

Does anyone know the current whereabouts of any of of these locomotives and if they could be
purchased or leased by the LIRR alongside the MARC cars? The GP40WH-2s could be a perfect fit
and with required modifications where necessary (such as notching the pilot to clear third rail)
they could become a backup of sorts to the limited DE/DM30 fleet. The one drawback is that
they are straight diesels and not usable on any through train to NYP.

Only 2 to 4 of these locomotives could provide a needed backup and allow added services that
will be provided by the leased MARC car fleet for more flexibility when the need arises...

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