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Re: Freight Cars

Postby nyandw » Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:15 pm

Backshophoss wrote:Jet fuel does not need to be kept cold,it is moved in regular tank cars,like diesel fuel,heating oil,and gasoline is handled.
This had to be a move to Grumman or the Brookhaven National lab during the time the LEM was manufactured on the island.


Yes, agree concerning jet fuel, etc. It is a unique very specialized car and load. Grumman LEM (Lunar Excursion Module) 1969-1972. The photo is 1971.

I'll go back to the fact it is a Vinyl Chloride very specialized hazmat pressurized large heavy capacity 6 axle truck car. Brookhaven Labs, EPA toxic dump, OR?
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Re: Freight Cars

Postby Teutobergerwald » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:36 pm

What about a move to Cerro Wire in Syosset? Didn't they have a long spur into their facility???
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Re: Freight Cars

Postby Backshophoss » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:43 pm

Was Cerro Wire a NASA Vendor/Contractor?
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Re: Freight Cars

Postby nyandw » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:14 pm

Backshophoss wrote:Was Cerro Wire a NASA Vendor/Contractor?


Circle Wire 1966 (Hicksville, Maspeth) became Cerro Wire. LIRR 1977 Car load report indicated loads of rods and cables to Cerro Wire on Robbins lane, Syosset
However one of the uses of vinyl chloride is in cable/wire insulation. Could this have been used by Cerro Wire?
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/freightsidings.htm 1966 LIRR maps sidings

Not for this unique car...I'll go back again the third time to my basic premise:

It is a unique Vinyl Chloride load and a very specialized hazmat pressurized large heavy capacity 6 axle truck car, NOT a commodity used by a local industry on a regular basis.
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Re: Freight Cars

Postby alchemist » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:31 pm

Vinyl chloride monomer is a compressed liquefied gas. It is extremely flammable (flash point -108 deg. F), and is toxic to breathe. It would only be useful in a chemical processing facility which could polymerize it into poly(vinyl chloride) which is what's used as electrical insulation and backyard wading pools. The Alchemist can't think of any plant on LI, then or now, that could use it. If the car was consigned to a customer on LI I think it must have been carrying something other than vinyl chloride.
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Re: Freight Cars

Postby freightguy » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:20 am

Wonder maybe if that car made its way to Ruco polymer in Hicksville, NY?
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Re: Freight Cars

Postby JB King Esq » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:52 pm

Freightguy is correct, it was likely headed from/to Hooker Chemical in Hicksville, which later became Ruco Polymer (and finally Bayer Chemical before closing). A good piece of evidence - the EPA's superfund site information for that facility shows vinyl & polyvinyl chlorides as contaminants in the soil.
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Re: Freight Cars

Postby freightguy » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:32 pm

If it was in Holban 95% chance was heading somewhere on the island. I spotted a car there(Ruco) once and the guy who met me on the loading dock said he worked there since 1947. This was in the late 90's. LIRR had a lot of unique moves, that car may have got special clearance and the engineering department would check the infrastructure after a dimensional move like that. A transformer went to Lilco around 2000, but I believe there hasn't been any high and wide dimensional loads over the LIRR since then. A lot of paperworks and headaches.
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Re: Freight Cars

Postby nyandw » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:41 pm

JB King Esq wrote:Freightguy is correct, it was likely headed from/to Hooker Chemical in Hicksville, which later became Ruco Polymer (and finally Bayer Chemical before closing). A good piece of evidence - the EPA's superfund site information for that facility shows vinyl & polyvinyl chlorides as contaminants in the soil.



You folks may have the possible answer! As I posted earlier, as "possible candidates": "...1. Used to clean up a toxic waste dump as its byproduct? It's a 1971 photo, perhaps a clue?..." Think so?
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Re: Freight Cars

Postby nyandw » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:39 pm

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http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirr%20freight/freight%20photos/lirr453_S2_B-Tower_%204-68.jpg
Note the 138kv oil circuit breaker load on the depressed center flatcar. (above left) LILCO is the only plausible customer for this item at the southwest corner of Islip Ave/Suffolk Ave (Five Corners) intersection in Brentwood.
Map: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirrtrackmaps/lirrmaps1966/Brentwood67.jpg Location #6
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Re: Freight Cars

Postby nyandw » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:01 pm

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DHNY #50063 Cushioned 50' single door boxcar at Fresh Pond, NY "I Love NY" 9/10/1982 Photo: Art Huneke

A total of 200 cars from the D&H 29000 series were rebuilt and renumbered to DHNY 50000-50199, in 1982.
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Re: Freight Cars

Postby Teutobergerwald » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:42 pm

There is a picture in "Diesels of the Sunrise Trail" of two MP-15ac's pulling a train made up of these D&H boxcars and LIRR coaches, if I recall correctly. Anybody else remember this picture, and/or the movement itself- it's purpose, where it started, where it went, etc? Thanks.
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Re: Freight Cars

Postby nyandw » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:03 pm

Teutobergerwald wrote:There is a picture in "Diesels of the Sunrise Trail" of two MP-15ac's pulling a train made up of these D&H boxcars and LIRR coaches, if I recall correctly. Anybody else remember this picture, and/or the movement itself- it's purpose, where it started, where it went, etc? Thanks.


Page 84. bottom left: American Youth Hostels Bicycle special with five leased boxcars enroute to Mattituck on 6/18/83. Explains the need for "cushioned cars".

Perhaps others remember: American Youth Hostels Bicycle special 1983?
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Re: Freight Cars

Postby nyandw » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:51 pm

Image Westinghouse Electric WECX200 - Schnabel Car Pinelawn 3/1973 Photo: Art Huneke

Destination? LILCO in Brentwood, OR?
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Re: Freight Cars

Postby JB King Esq » Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:43 pm

I'm just surprised that load cleared the 3rd rail, but it must have been OK since it made it to Pinelawn. Some dimensional loads were unloaded right where the photo was taken, as most final locations for many of these transformers are not on rail.
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