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LIRR Derailment - Atlantic Terminal track 6

Postby geico » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:49 am

Looks like a m7 jumped the rails at Atlantic Terminal Track 6. 20 minor injuries reported so far.
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Re: LIRR Derailment - Atlantic Terminal track 6

Postby DutchRailnut » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:30 am

If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???

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Re: LIRR Derailment - Atlantic Terminal track 6

Postby Jeff Smith » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:31 am

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/04/long-isl ... yn-ny.html

Thirty-seven people were reported injured after a Long Island Rail Road train derailed on Wednesday morning at the Atlantic Terminal in Brooklyn, New York.
The New York City Fire Department said all injuries reported are non-life threatening.

Pictures on Twitter showed the train was tipped slightly to the side.


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Re: LIRR Derailment - Atlantic Terminal track 6

Postby ThreeIfByAir » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:32 am

NYTimes says that the train hit the bumper blocks. Which is going to make a lot of people ask a lot of questions, given that's what happened at Hoboken too.

Of course (perish the thought) the Times could be wrong...
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Re: LIRR Derailment - Atlantic Terminal track 6

Postby geico » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:00 pm

Looks like it went past the bumpers.
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Re: LIRR Derailment - Atlantic Terminal track 6

Postby pumpers » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:05 pm

"10-15 mph" when it hit being reported in the NY Daily news.

What was the final speed at impact they decided on at Hoboken?

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Re: LIRR Derailment - Atlantic Terminal track 6

Postby Jeff Smith » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:22 pm

http://6abc.com/news/over-100-suffer-mi ... nt-(photos)/1685626/

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Fire officials at the scene Wednesday said metal that appeared to be from a rail pierced the bottom of the train and the wheels lifted up. They said the crash also damaged a work area beyond the tracks.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo said the train was moving very slowly. He said it "wasn't really a derailment."

Eleven of the injured were taken to hospitals. Officials at the scene estimated that 600 to 700 people were on the train.
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Re: LIRR Derailment - Atlantic Terminal track 6

Postby litz » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:45 pm

"Moving very slowly" ... it was obviously moving fast enough to overcome the bumpers ... what's the rating on what a bumper can actually withstand?

Secondarily, who wants to take a bet on how long it takes for a FRA Emergency Order requiring a full stop prior to entering any passenger station, following by a mandatory "walking" speed approach?

Hoboken followed by this one is going to tweak their interest something fierce ...
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Re: LIRR Derailment - Atlantic Terminal track 6

Postby DutchRailnut » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:03 pm

question is more like : why did FRA and NTSB order first MN to have second crew member in cab approching terminal, then after accident they extend same order to NJT ??
Sure LIRR is next, but will we need accident at MBTA, SEPTA, MARC, etc to go step by step towards making railroad safe ??
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Re: LIRR Derailment - Atlantic Terminal track 6

Postby MCL1981 » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:08 pm

There's a piece of rail up inside the car. It appears to have bulldozed the bumper block out of the way And the front of the car is rammed up onto the cement platform. But it was moving slowly and "wasn't really a derailment". Got it.

How do you get a conductor into the cab when the locomotive is leading the train into a terminal? Should the conductor scale the locomotive like in Back To The Future 3?
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Re: LIRR Derailment - Atlantic Terminal track 6

Postby MCL1981 » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:20 pm

Which would still require the conductor to leap from the passenger car onto the locomotive, then climb up/in?
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Re: LIRR Derailment - Atlantic Terminal track 6

Postby DutchRailnut » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:26 pm

leap ?? climb ?? its just like walking from one car to another.
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Re: LIRR Derailment - Atlantic Terminal track 6

Postby CarterB » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:31 pm

Photos of the scene looks to me like a cab control car at front, not a locomotive. Is this the case?
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Re: LIRR Derailment - Atlantic Terminal track 6

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:32 pm

litz wrote:..who wants to take a bet on how long it takes for a FRA Emergency Order requiring a full stop prior to entering any passenger station, following by a mandatory "walking" speed" approach .


My guess, Mr. Litz, is not long.

After the March 2014 "sleepy motorgirl" smack smack at O'Hare, there was a rule imposed, at what level I know not, that trains will make a complete stop before entering the platform area. I also do not know if that rule is imposed at other "end of tracks" about the CTA system, as to/from O'Hare is the only place I have occasion to ride.
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Re: LIRR Derailment - Atlantic Terminal track 6

Postby pumpers » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:36 pm

pumpers wrote:What was the final speed at impact they decided on at Hoboken?
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For reference, I found the NTSB preliminary report on Hoboken.
"21 mph at time of collision with the bumping post"
http://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/Acci ... relim.aspx
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