Main-Line Derailment

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Re: Main-Line Derailment

Postby onorclose7 » Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:51 am

Last nights switch problem was at Nassau 2, not far from the location of the derailment but a different switch nonetheless
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Re: Main-Line Derailment

Postby Kelly&Kelly » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:46 am

Watch for criminal charges on this one. There was intentional and unauthorized manipulation of safety appurtenances that resulted in this side swipe.
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Re: Main-Line Derailment

Postby Amtrak7 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:01 am

(At least) cars 5, 6, 9, 10, 11, 12 of the derailed train are back in revenue service. Obviously the first 4 cars won't see service for a while, and for some of them probably never again.

Does the LIRR have another one of these stabilizer cars, or is all work that requires it on hold?
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Re: Main-Line Derailment

Postby Kelly&Kelly » Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:04 pm

"Unauthorized" comes from the individual who would have authorized. The conduct was not intended to cause the unfortunate result. But it was performed without the proper authorization or procedures which would have prevented the resultant incident. Based on the outcome, it was reckless and negligent. Considering the injuries and losses, that would be grounds for a criminal complaint.
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Re: Main-Line Derailment

Postby onorclose7 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:35 pm

I was waiting for this info to surface. I knew about a few days ago but wasn't going to reveal it
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Re: Main-Line Derailment

Postby scopelliti » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:50 pm

Is this discussion and disclosure appropriate to a public forum?
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Re: Main-Line Derailment

Postby Kelly&Kelly » Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:01 pm

Why wouldn't it be? Does it contain a "trigger word" that you find offensive? Lurking terrorists perhaps? Or maybe it's not politically correct? People reading these forums are interested in rail operations. The day to day management of human errors is indeed a part of any industry. It makes history and explains the unwritten responsibilities that railroaders carry every day. I hope this isn't too stressful. Yes, Virginia, people do make mistakes.
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Re: Main-Line Derailment

Postby scopelliti » Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:17 pm

First of all... calm down. I was just asking. When I see a post like
"Intentional manipulation of safety appurtenances" isn't a problem if you have documented C&S authorization and transportation permission. Sometimes intentional manipulation of safety appurtenances (i.e. the signal system) is the only way to facilitate track work and prevent unnecessary delays during the work.

and
Watch for criminal charges on this one. There was intentional and unauthorized manipulation of safety appurtenances that resulted in this side swipe.

it sounds less like speculation and more like inside knowledge that may not be for public disclosure.

That's all.. just commenting.
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Re: Main-Line Derailment

Postby onorclose7 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:42 pm

There are many of us wondering why it hasn't already been disclosed. It's not like it's gonna go away
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Re: Main-Line Derailment

Postby Kelly&Kelly » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:53 pm

There's enormous pressure to keep this away from the media. Hundreds of thousands have been spent on new MTA advertising since the incident. Therefore, don't expect Newsday or any other local rag to touch the story unless it comes from one of the wire services. The industry has also observed that the NTSB is now a very political organization, with information released only when it serves an agenda.
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Re: Main-Line Derailment

Postby Kelly&Kelly » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:46 pm

Your question was answered in a previous post. If you want the names of the employees involved, you'll have to look elsewhere. If you are waiting for a press release, I hope you're a young man.
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Re: Main-Line Derailment

Postby Head-end View » Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:05 pm

K & K, it was you who told us in an earlier post to "watch for criminal charges on this one". So we're watching.........
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Re: Main-Line Derailment

Postby KT3 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:18 pm

Is there an upvote / "like" button on this forum? Because if so, that last message would get my vote!
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Re: Main-Line Derailment

Postby puckhead » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:35 pm

criminal charges, if warranted, arent going to come in a week or two after an accident like this one. there are lots of different interests involved, and all will have their say in what happens.
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Re: Main-Line Derailment

Postby onorclose7 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:51 pm

It's amazing how impatient some people can be. They will do their best to keep it under wraps but I'm pretty sure that it will come out sooner or later.
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