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2900 Series Bar Cars

Postby SwingMan » Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:53 pm

Since the red striped Parlor cars and Bar Generator cars has been covered, this appears to be the last few cars of question among this fleet of Pullman Standard cars.

How many of these cars were there? The only one that I currently has a definitive number for is the 2993, which is out in Riverhead and will be moved off LI sometime in the near future.

Was there any distinct paint scheme visual aids (hints) to help distinguish them from other blue striped P72 coaches? I remember there being certain cars with white stripes painted around the lower frame all the way around the cars, but I am unsure of which car numbers those were.


What was the usage? Were they used on the summer Montauk runs, or kept exclusively for "commuter" runs. And which trains were the cars assigned to?


Operationally, where were they (usually) positioned in the consists?
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Re: 2900 Series Bar Cars

Postby nyandw » Sun Sep 04, 2016 11:46 pm

Check: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/pass/Roster-LIRR-Psgr-Baggage-Combine-Cars-Koehler-Seyfried-MTA.pdf
about 30% down the page as it pertains to the P-72 #2990-2993 series as full length bar cars.
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Re: 2900 Series Bar Cars

Postby northpit » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:04 am

train 664 always had one.frank from wood side was the bartender.always had time to say hello to me prob hoping for a smooth ride.was not an easy train to handle 11 cars 1 engine
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Re: 2900 Series Bar Cars

Postby Bad Luck » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:20 am

Good memories np, different world now

I have been curious about the operation of these cars as well. As per a 1997 Equipment Tabulation/Diagrams book I have, the railroad considered these three (2991, 92, 93) full-length bar cars to still be in the category of conventional coaches.

2991 - no seats, converted 12/75, bar car
2992 - no seats, converted 10/76, bar car
2993 - no seats, converted 06/77, bar car

Interesting to note, a 1977 book I have refers to the full stand-up bar coaches (noted as 'Bar') as being numbered 2990, 2991, 2992 - perhaps this was an error or the 2990 was later renumbered to 2993?

This roster notes 2829 and 2833 as bar cars as well, converted in 07/85 and 10/85, respectively. Does anybody have any information about these? I have never seen any reference to them other than this document.

The 1977 equipment diagrams book I have also notes that PT72Cs 2890, 2892, 2894 were also bar cars (noted as 'Pass Bar'), but these still had seats and the bar was significantly smaller, located in the middle of the car and against one wall. Opposite the bar I see a storage locker/shelf.

2890 - 83 seats
2892 - 69 sets
2894 - 98 sets

Also included is a sheet for PT-75 'Bar' cars as well, but at this point (1977) only the 2705 (formerly 2527) was still operational - also listed but crossed out are 2701, 03, 07, 09, 11, 13, 16, 17, 19, 21, 23. This car still had 86 seats, with 1/3 of the car cleared out for a smaller bar (comparable in size to the one described above), which was located at one end of the car near to the toilet. I imagine these were sidelined not too long after this book, necessitating the creation of the 2991-93 and other later converts.
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Re: 2900 Series Bar Cars

Postby SwingMan » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:35 pm

Very interesting stuff. Always enjoy hearing stories from a different era (although fewer and far between).

I did not realize there were so many non-2900 series bar cars. The variations of cars must have been a pain and joy for yardmasters to play around with compared to today.
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Re: 2900 Series Bar Cars

Postby dedm30junk » Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:55 pm

There were on four 2900 series Bar Cars 2990-2991-2992-2993 and in the push pull series or 2800 and 2700 there were only 6 of them 2705-2719-2829-2833-2892-2894
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Re: 2900 Series Bar Cars

Postby nyandw » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:52 pm

Not a Series 2900, but "Bar" related...

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#6508 in Jamaica Yard "E" 8/1970 Photo: Art Huneke

Dave Keller Vignette on working "Special Services" and these cars: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirrphotos/LIRRspecialservices.htm
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Re: 2900 Series Bar Cars

Postby nyandw » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:43 pm

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirrphotos/LIRRspecialservices.htm
Anecdotes of Bar Cars and Special Services by Dave Keller
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Re: 2900 Series Bar Cars

Postby jhdeasy » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:10 pm

dedm30junk wrote:There were on four 2900 series Bar Cars 2990-2991-2992-2993 and in the push pull series or 2800 and 2700 there were only 6 of them 2705-2719-2829-2833-2892-2894


My rosters agree with your numbers, but with one exception. I don't have 2719 listed as a bar car, but I do have 2890 listed as a bar car.

When we take these 10 bars cars, and add the 4 bar-generator cars, and the bars in the 12 Sunrise Fleet parlor cars, plus the roll on-off portable bars, we see the 1970s-1980s-1990s LIRR was well equipped to satisfy the thirsty and earn some good net revenue in the process.

While we are here talking about bar cars, take a look at the car immediately behind locomotive 171 in this 1985 photo at Ronkonkoma.
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirrMP15/lirr171PronkonkomaMikeKoehler.jpg
Notice that almost half of the car's windows appear to be blanked. I'm assuming this is an accurate image of what the photographer actually saw, not retouched in any way by whoever scanned the image from a slide or print. Could that be one of the bar cars? I'm not sure why else the car would be modified in that way.
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Re: 2900 Series Bar Cars

Postby SwingMan » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:16 pm

That would certainly be interesting because I cannot think of any picture with a car with covered windows like that.
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Re: 2900 Series Bar Cars

Postby 4behind2 » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:25 pm

The blanked windows in the picture at "KO" is most likely the Adelphi Classroom on
Wheels. Pt. Jeff had one car for the classes (a 2900), and this is most likely what you are seeing here too.
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Re: 2900 Series Bar Cars

Postby nyandw » Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:00 pm

Interesting: Perhaps further info on "Adelphi Classroom on Wheels" may shed more light on this, anyone? Thxs. :-)
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Re: 2900 Series Bar Cars

Postby jhdeasy » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:10 pm

4behind2 wrote:The blanked windows in the picture at "KO" is most likely the Adelphi Classroom on
Wheels. Pt. Jeff had one car for the classes (a 2900), and this is most likely what you are seeing here too.


From Adelphi University School of Business Newsletter, 2009-2010 issue:
http://business.adelphi.edu/files/2012/01/fa09sp10.pdf

"One of the School’s more famous efforts was offering business classes on the Long Island Rail Road. From 1971 into 1987, nearly 1,000 students went through “Adelphi-on-Wheels.” Created by Adelphi Professor Gregory Gutman and Edu-Tran, Inc., it allowed business students to take classes during their morning and evening commutes."

The newsletter contains two small thumbnail photos of the interior of the "Adelphi-on-Wheels" car in service, and the first graduate to receive his MBA from the program posing in front of a sign for track 15 (presumably at Pennsylvania Station).

My roster information shows P72 coach 2918 was converted to a school car with 108 seats in July 1977. Maybe this car used for the "Adelphi-on-Wheels" program. My "survivors" roster shows the former LIRR 2918 was on the Walkersville Southern RR in Maryland back in 2004. It may still be there.
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Re: 2900 Series Bar Cars

Postby nyandw » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:04 pm

jhdeasy wrote:
4behind2 wrote:The blanked windows in the picture at "KO" is most likely the Adelphi Classroom on
Wheels. Pt. Jeff had one car for the classes (a 2900), and this is most likely what you are seeing here too.


From Adelphi University School of Business Newsletter, 2009-2010 issue:
http://business.adelphi.edu/files/2012/01/fa09sp10.pdf


Thank you, Jack. Too bad the small thumb photos are fuzzy... :-( An interior shot of this car(s) would sure be a find....
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Re: 2900 Series Bar Cars

Postby Norton » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:12 pm

Page 7 of this issue of Adelphi University Magazine has a clearer picture of the interior, but still no car number.
http://www.adelphi.edu/Adelphi-Magazine ... g-2014.pdf
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