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Hicksville Rehabilitation Project.

Postby MattAmity90 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:20 am

This is a separate topic pertaining to the rehabilitation of Hicksville and the surrounding infrastructure to differentiate it from the Wantagh project that will get started shortly.
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Re: Hicksville Rehabilitation Project.

Postby LB » Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:19 am

Hicksville and Babylon are the same age. Is Babylon holding up better than Hicksville as far as infrastructure goes or is the plan to rehab both?
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Re: Hicksville Rehabilitation Project.

Postby SwingMan » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:00 am

Babylon does not handle the same number of trains that Hicksville does, and likewise the number of people using Hicksville is substantially higher than Babylon. Overall cosmetically both need a huge update and replacement, but Hicksville has a lot more wear and tear overall. I think the closer the work west of the station is to being done the more active the station rehabilitation project will be. It doesn't take all that long to tear down this stuff, and minimizing the amount of time things are not serviceable is key to projects like these.

One example recently is how they waited for the platform replacement work at Massapequa (which by the way has it's own design flaws) to be completed before the installation of the pocket track went ahead. Of course the preparation work for the pocket track predated the beginning of the platform work, and the same can be seen with the project in Hicksville.
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Re: Hicksville Rehabilitation Project.

Postby Head-end View » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:10 pm

I never understood why Hicksville's platforms were not rebuilt some years back as part of the project when the waiting room/ticket office was done. Most of these projects do both together. Anyone know why was Hicksville different?
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Re: Hicksville Rehabilitation Project.

Postby MACTRAXX » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:31 pm

Everyone:

As Swing Man notes Hicksville has much larger daily use and number of trains operating through then Babylon.
Hicksville has the highest ridership of any Nassau County LIRR station.

They were both constructed in the early to mid 60s and have similar designs with some notable differences:
Babylon being the end of electrification was designed and built for electric train service - in Hicksville's instance
that would be added later in the form of the Mineola-Huntington Electrification in 1970-71. Hicksville's distinction
was being the second high level platform station in diesel territory - only Richmond Hill (Lower Montauk Branch-now
closed) was older. The elevated structure at Hicksville with its Y layout and interlocking at Divide Tower - built new
along with the Hicksville grade crossing elimination (in case anyone does not know) is much longer and elaborate
then the Babylon project which was basically in and around the station itself. That also included a new Babylon
Tower which is just across Deer Park Avenue on the north side of the tracks just off the viaduct (again for those
who do not know) along with the elevated station.

Both stations were designed with three tracks which was smart thinking because it made transfers between trains
workable and service originating and terminating would use the "third track" keeping the through routes open for
each direction. In the case of both Babylon was designed for this and for Hicksville it was added in the 1970s
with the start of the use of push-pull diesel train service primarily to and from Ronkonkoma and points east on
the Main Line. Running some Port Jefferson trains to Hicksville instead of Huntington is a much more recent
service addition beginning in the 1990s.

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Re: Hicksville Rehabilitation Project.

Postby MattAmity90 » Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:30 am

Just as a point of reference:

Babylon's elevated station opened for service on September 9th, 1964 (39 years, 3 months, and 20 days after the branch was electrified).

Hicksville's elevated station opened for service three days later on September 12th, 1964 (6 years, 1 month, and 6 days before that section was electrified).

Another reason why Hicksville was elevated with high-level island platforms is because it allowed for faster speeds and why on Earth would you put low-levels on elevated tracks? That would just be stupid, and it allowed of course for faster loading and unloading of passengers.
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Re: Hicksville Rehabilitation Project.

Postby MNCRR9000 » Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:53 pm

When is the renovation of the Hicksville station supposed to start I have noticed over the past few months that it looks like they have started on the north siding doing clearing along the right of way but haven't started on the station.
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Re: Hicksville Rehabilitation Project.

Postby MattAmity90 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:53 am

New schedules were just released that go into effect today from March 6th-May 21st.

It said for Ronkonkoma and Port Jefferson/Huntington branches that all trains arriving and stopping at Hicksville on Track 2 will only open their South side doors. Well, this means that the first platform that will taken out is Platform A, and it will be the ENTIRE, not partial.
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