Passenger Boarding at Hudson Yards during Javits Events?

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Re: Passenger Boarding at Hudson Yards during Javits Events?

Postby EuroStar » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:02 am

Running trains to event venues does not seem to be a winning proposition in general unless the station has other ridership. NJT is certainly losing money any time they run shuttles to the Meadowlands. I believe the same is true for the MBTA and the shuttles to Foxboro on the game/event dates. I do not know for sure, but I suspect that LIRR loses money on the Belmont shuttles too. Barclays Center is at a station with large non-event ridership, so it is different as is MSG. While no public transportation agency makes profit in the US (and I do not claim that they should), providing an occasional money losing service to event venues is not the core mission of any such agency. These are all vanity projects targeted to appease a few politicians and their donors. Same will be true for any passenger facility at the Hudson Yards. From public policy perspective these projects are a waste of scarce capital and operating funds.
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Re: Passenger Boarding at Hudson Yards during Javits Events?

Postby andrewjw » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:21 pm

CentralValleyRail wrote:Good, most of the people who attend that convention are pretty weird. It's a convention of social rejects. Saw them walking thru Secaucus and it was like WTF are you kidding me? Yeah sure you have a few hotties mixed in but wow just wow.

😬 are you kidding me? these people literally went to a convention to be social with each other. Can you be less judgemental? Also, "hotties" really shows how much you're focused on objectifying the women going to these events 😬😬😬.
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Re: Passenger Boarding at Hudson Yards during Javits Events?

Postby ConstanceR46 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:30 pm

Good, most of the people who attend that convention are pretty weird. It's a convention of social rejects. Saw them walking thru Secaucus and it was like WTF are you kidding me? Yeah sure you have a few hotties mixed in but wow just wow.


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Re: Passenger Boarding at Hudson Yards during Javits Events?

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Re: Passenger Boarding at Hudson Yards during Javits Events?

Postby Jeff Smith » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:38 am

Okay, let's keep it to the possibility of the platform, not the appearance of Comic Con fans. No harm, no foul, move on please.
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Re: Passenger Boarding at Hudson Yards during Javits Events?

Postby ConstanceR46 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:30 pm

On the topic; there is absolutely no way that they'd allow a cleaning platform to be used for boarding.
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Re: Passenger Boarding at Hudson Yards during Javits Events?

Postby andegold » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:17 am

EuroStar wrote:Running trains to event venues does not seem to be a winning proposition in general unless the station has other ridership. NJT is certainly losing money any time they run shuttles to the Meadowlands. I believe the same is true for the MBTA and the shuttles to Foxboro on the game/event dates. I do not know for sure, but I suspect that LIRR loses money on the Belmont shuttles too. Barclays Center is at a station with large non-event ridership, so it is different as is MSG. While no public transportation agency makes profit in the US (and I do not claim that they should), providing an occasional money losing service to event venues is not the core mission of any such agency. These are all vanity projects targeted to appease a few politicians and their donors. Same will be true for any passenger facility at the Hudson Yards. From public policy perspective these projects are a waste of scarce capital and operating funds.



Other than the fact that even with fare gates not all fares are collected for Meadowlands trains why do you say that NJT is "certainly losing money"? They only run trains for events at the stadium with expected attendance in excess of 50,000 (I recall hearing the number 70,000 but I don't know for certain). Any time I have ever used the service it has been standing room only and still a much better option for me than driving would have been. The 7 train to Mets-Willets Point is similarly packed for all Mets games regardless of attendance which leads me to believe that their core base is as much or more transit riders as drivers. I don't know what the LIRR service to mets games is like.
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Re: Passenger Boarding at Hudson Yards during Javits Events?

Postby Liquidcamphor » Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:02 pm

Let's keep the conversation civil and without attacking other people's thoughts and ideas, just because you disagree with them. Otherwise, threads with interesting topics will be locked and that takes away intent of this Board.
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