M9 Procurement & Acceptance

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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby deandremouse » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:24 pm

The door apparatus on the M8 is made by Vapor (same in the M7) and so will be on the M9. Has nothing to do with the car manufacturers, just newer versions of the same door system. Design really hasn't changed much, what you're hearing is the door motor as it spins,
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Head-end View » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:55 pm

Okay, so both Kawasaki and Bombardier buy from the same supplier. You're saying the technology has improved over the years then? But why were the doors on the M-1/M-3's so quiet in 1969/1985?
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby BuddR32 » Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:08 am

Different mechanism altogether. The M1/M3 have doors mounted on simple roller bearing tracks, and side mounted operators that open and close the doors through an over-center lock type linkage

The M7 has an overhead mounted jackscrew with fine threads which spin at a high speed, hence the three stooges sound when they open and close.

The C3 has a similar setup, only the jackscrew thread is much broader.

I believe the M9 will have door systems made by Fuji
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Head-end View » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:20 pm

Thanks! Let's hope Fuji knows how to build a quiet door system.
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:59 am

with the buy american concept, most components are US made including air conditioners, door operators, toilet systems brake components, etc etc.
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Head-end View » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:09 pm

What's your point Dutch?
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:24 pm

that door operators will be vapor-wabtech.
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby BuddR32 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:11 am

Doors are without a doubt Fuji. There is no buy america component on the M9, they're not federally funded. The M9A will be federally funded and a separate procurement with a buy america component
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Head-end View » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:30 pm

BuddR32, I assume the M9A is for Metro-North? Why would theirs be Federally funded but not LIRR's M9's?
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby andrewjw » Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:15 pm

Nope, M9 and M9A will both run on both railroads, the distinction this time around is the funding source.
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Head-end View » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:12 pm

Well whover builds the friggin' door mechanisms, they'd better be quieter than on the M-7's 'cause those noisy doors are a disgrace to modern industry. :( And the M-8's have already proven that the industry can do better.
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby DutchRailnut » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:52 pm

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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby adamj023 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:30 pm

I am surprised no images have been posted online of the test trains in Pueblo, Colorado. They will be testing on the LIRR soon, perhaps April or so. This year they can finally get production going.

I suggest the MTA keep the M3 online and not phase them down right now even as M9 orders come in as they can use the cars for additional service capacity. LIRR is actually short railcars which is why thet are leasing cars from MARC right now.

I alos believe LIRR should max out options to replace damaged trainsets in accidents and for additional capacity and to phase out the M3 railcars in future years. Between new Brooklyn track at Jamaica, and East Side Access and Hamptons Cannonball service, the LIRR is going to need all the M9/M9A including options in future years.

Will be nice to finally see the new railcars online,
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Backshophoss » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:56 pm

For now,a major failure/wreck will split a pair of M-3's,or take the pair completely out of service and become parts donors.
LIRR has a shortage of loco hauled cars(the C-3's),that's why the lease of cars from MARC's fleet.
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby adamj023 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:01 am

Backshophoss wrote:For now,a major failure/wreck will split a pair of M-3's,or take the pair completely out of service and become parts donors.
LIRR has a shortage of loco hauled cars(the C-3's),that's why the lease of cars from MARC's fleet.


True but the MARC lease is temporary. Can the M3 or M7 or M9/M9A use diesel locomotives? If not, where will the additional train cars come from for the diesel part of the network? The only order I know of is the M9/M9A.
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