M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby ConstanceR46 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:55 pm

that's why they'd need an inspection; even without visible damage something might be wrong that would go wrong on the LIRR, making kawasaki look like idiots.
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Backshophoss » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:16 pm

There could be hidden damage from the Hump Retarders when that pair went over the hump to the underframe equipment,traction motors,
and the ATC/ACSES gear near the pilots.
Did this happen in Chicago(BRC Clearing Yard Hump) or CSX at Selkirk?? :(
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby gregorygrice » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:04 pm

BRC. All 8 cars were derailed resulting in truck damage. Trucks need to be replaced and bodies need to be inspected by Kawasaki in Yonkers, which is why it went CHI to Selkirk on it's own special train.
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby geico » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:16 am

so who gets to pay for this mess..
The cars are still owned by Kawasaki as the LIRR has not accepted them.

I cant see Kawasaki eating this cost but should be going after the host RR or BRC and the morons who decided to hump cars with a DO NOT HUMP sign on them.
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby DutchRailnut » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:04 am

ever notice, these stories emerge with each and every new train delivery ?? a train traveling over hump, if derailing would travel in excess of 200 feet on ground , specially if all 8 cars derailed. By FRA rules a train like that, can not be moved unless all wheels and bearings are replaced . so how would those 8 cars move from Chicago to Yonkers ?????

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major derailment: Any derailment either occurring at a speed in excess of 10 mph or resulting in the derailed
truck(s) being dragged on the ground for a distance of 200 ft. or more.
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby PlaneLoverA380 » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:51 am

adamj023 wrote:The image doesn’t show any evidence of damage to the LIRR train.


There is an image of the derailed set? Surprised no on posted it. Meanwhile, gregorygrice did not post his Fresh Pond video. It's a really good one. One question though, when will they test on the main line? As soon as the new couplers are installed and the DB40s are removed?
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby gregorygrice » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:42 pm

The cars are currently at Kawasaki recieving repairs.
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby DutchRailnut » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:33 pm

repairs or just new fiberglass fronts in new colors and addition of NY diagonal stripping.

no one has answered question how would they get cars from Chicago to Yonkers on condemned wheels and bearings ?
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby BuddR32 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:36 am

Dutch, if you're going by 238.17 (movement of defective passenger equipment, it states that the equipment involved in a derailment may not be used in [i]passenger[i] service, and may only be moved for a repair point that can effect the repairs, which would be KRC ( I suppose)

I see no such provision in 215 if they're being moved under freight car rules, or 229 seems to be equally less stringent as well. Probably why, however, they had to be moved in a special train.
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:40 am

no it would be any wheel shop, not all way to yonkers .
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby LINYARailfan » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:48 pm

I just passed Hilliside Facility and eye witnessed an M9 set coupled to an M7 set. Does this mean that the M7s are compatible with the M9s. Or is this just for testing purposes only?
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby DutchRailnut » Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:12 pm

not compatible electrically, but they can be mechanically coupled to be towed.
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby cam36 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:11 pm

Any bets on which line the first M9 revenue service will run on?
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby BuddR32 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:20 pm

LINYARailfan wrote:I just passed Hilliside Facility and eye witnessed an M9 set coupled to an M7 set. Does this mean that the M7s are compatible with the M9s. Or is this just for testing purposes only?


Supposedy can couple, get brake release and draw power, as thats a simple p-wire signal. NO network dependent functions will work. They did it this way for yard and rescue operation.
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby IslesFan » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:32 pm

What about doors and PA?
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