M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Jeff Smith » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:59 pm

BuddR32 wrote:
Jeff Smith wrote:Refresh my memory; will the 9’s have over and under running shoes like the M8’s?


No they have the over riding shoes only.


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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Train2009 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:20 pm

gregorygrice wrote:They've been testing almost every night excluding weekends.


A 6 car M9 set did went out this morning as seen at Hillside - Queens headed westbound at 9:22 AM.
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby geico » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:21 pm

Any updates?
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby gregorygrice » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:27 am

geico wrote:Any updates?

Still testing.
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby geico » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:46 am

6 months + on testing. The cars will be obsolete at this point by the time they are put in service.
Either admit Kawasaki screwed up building them or publish a schedule of what's going on.
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby DutchRailnut » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:13 pm

they are not going into service until sufficient cars are available.
as for testing it is FRA who demands xxx amount of trouble free hours of operation , any fault event resets clock to zero.
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???

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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby hs3730 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:27 pm

geico wrote:6 months + on testing. The cars will be obsolete at this point by the time they are put in service.
Either admit Kawasaki screwed up building them or publish a schedule of what's going on.


Until the cars are sent back to Kawasaki in Nebraska or Japan, no one has screwed up (yet).
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby gregorygrice » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:46 pm

geico wrote:or publish a schedule of what's going on.


No one is obligated to publish a "schedule" here. That is not public information. They will test as long as they have to make sure everything is the way they want it before mass production. If the cars were released with issues aim sure you'd be one of the first to criticize.

Be patient.
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Head-end View » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:59 pm

Fifty years ago, the brand new M-1's were put into service without sufficient testing and de-bugging and very quickly developed propulsion problems causing large numbers of them to be taken out-of-service for repairs. This was the infamous summer of 1970 where some old MP-54's had already been retired and the remaining ones were barely functional. That entire summer roughly six rush-hour trains were cancelled every morning and evening rush hour due to shortage of trains.

So I guess they don't want to repeat that kind of debacle ever again. :wink:
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby gregorygrice » Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:11 am

Head-end View wrote:Fifty years ago, the brand new M-1's were put into service without sufficient testing and de-bugging and very quickly developed propulsion problems causing large numbers of them to be taken out-of-service for repairs. This was the infamous summer of 1970 where some old MP-54's had already been retired and the remaining ones were barely functional. That entire summer roughly six rush-hour trains were cancelled every morning and evening rush hour due to shortage of trains.

So I guess they don't want to repeat that kind of debacle ever again. :wink:


That and standards are different today than they were then.
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby jtrain22 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:11 pm

geico wrote:6 months + on testing. The cars will be obsolete at this point by the time they are put in service.
Either admit Kawasaki screwed up building them or publish a schedule of what's going on.

Back in October LIRR twitter said they are scheduled to enter service May 2019.

https://twitter.com/LIRR/status/1055156848356220929
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Backshophoss » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:07 pm

What is the minimum amount of cars(pairs) needed to begin in service use of the M-9's??
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby BuddR32 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:34 am

Backshophoss wrote:What is the minimum amount of cars(pairs) needed to begin in service use of the M-9's??


You could see as few as three pairs introduced into revenue service, as a six car train on some runs. If there's an issue with one car however, they won't run just four cars.

What the plan is however, I don't know.
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Crabman1130 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:22 am

Are they compatible with M7s?
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby DutchRailnut » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:36 am

officially no for service, they can be coupled for equipment moves.
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