M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Head-end View » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:39 pm

Ah, that explains why LIRR brought the M-7's in on flat-cars instead of moving them on the rails. I've been wondering about that for years. :wink:
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby BuddR32 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:28 am

geico wrote:yes but MNRR has been able to get their cars delivered via rails on freight runs. LIRR has to have them lifted on to tractor trailers and then shipped and then lifted on to rails. Same goes for work that needs to be done offsite. MNRR can move on its own wheels, LIRR has to pickup, truck, pickup again. Seems like a waste of time, labor and money to me


Yes, but you're talking about once when delivered, and then again 35 years later for scrap. Its insignificant IMO. And as for off site work, LIRR doesn't send anything offsite. They did the DE/DM, but that was part of a warranty lawsuit settlement.
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby geico » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:16 pm

Several pairs of M7s were sent back to BBD for work after they were delivered.
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Backshophoss » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:19 pm

Hillside was never setup to work on diesels or the C-3's,only for the M series MU cars,LIRR torn down the Morris Park Backshop,so the
warrranty work was shipped out to CR's(now NS's) Altoona shop for the DM's and DE's
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby BuddR32 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:09 am

geico wrote:Several pairs of M7s were sent back to BBD for work after they were delivered.


Yes, that is true, the trucks had to be re-worked. I remember the M7 arrived on flat cars, with a special roll off ramp in Holban Yard. They weren't trucked over the highways (if that's what you meant) Another reason to ship like that was that they were able to be sent with their shoe beam and outriggers installed already, where if they were sent on their own wheels they would have had to ship them without.

I guess we have a difference of opinion here as to how worth it the triple valve would be :-)
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby inthebag » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:10 pm

LIRR M9s will come installed with DB40 valves that will allow them to arrive on their own wheels. Whether Long Island M of E will remove them upon arrival is yet to be decided. As BuddR32 mentioned, keeping them installed means more maintenance checks for little benefit.

As an aside, the pilot cars are indeed testing at Pueblo right now.
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby GojiMet86 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:45 pm

Could they be coming through Hell Gate? I'd love to see them up there.
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Head-end View » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:34 pm

Interesting that current LIRR management has chosen to equip the cars to be transported on the rails, unlike with the M-7's. But I guess different people are running LIRR now compared to twenty years ago and so different ideas prevail.
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby geico » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:17 pm

inthebag wrote:LIRR M9s will come installed with DB40 valves that will allow them to arrive on their own wheels. Whether Long Island M of E will remove them upon arrival is yet to be decided. As BuddR32 mentioned, keeping them installed means more maintenance checks for little benefit.

As an aside, the pilot cars are indeed testing at Pueblo right now.


maybe flat cars are not an option anymore for this delivery
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Head-end View » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:00 pm

Why would they not be an option?
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Backshophoss » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:20 pm

Most likely the Expense $$$$$ of placing the "completed" M-9's on Flats at the fitting out facility in Yonkers.
And the rental fees from TTX for the flat cars
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby BuddR32 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:34 am

inthebag wrote:LIRR M9s will come installed with DB40 valves that will allow them to arrive on their own wheels. Whether Long Island M of E will remove them upon arrival is yet to be decided. As BuddR32 mentioned, keeping them installed means more maintenance checks for little benefit.

As an aside, the pilot cars are indeed testing at Pueblo right now.


Is this a change? Earlier on in the project LI M9s weren't going to come with them, but the MN cars were.
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Re: M9 Procurement & Acceptance

Postby gregorygrice » Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:35 pm

inthebag wrote:LIRR M9s will come installed with DB40 valves that will allow them to arrive on their own wheels. Whether Long Island M of E will remove them upon arrival is yet to be decided. As BuddR32 mentioned, keeping them installed means more maintenance checks for little benefit.

As an aside, the pilot cars are indeed testing at Pueblo right now.


They will most likely be removed.
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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby DutchRailnut » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:18 pm

So first 4 M-9's went to Pueblo ?? how long till we see results.
4 more cars are shipped directly to LIRR ?? were are they , they were shipped months ago ?
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???

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Re: M9 and M9A Procurement & Acceptance

Postby Frank » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:38 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:So first 4 M-9's went to Pueblo ?? how long till we see results.
4 more cars are shipped directly to LIRR ?? were are they , they were shipped months ago ?


I think it would be a good idea if the LIRR installed PTC on some of its M3 cars.
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