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Re: Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

Postby Lirr168 » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:37 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:There were 3 projects the Budd demonstrator pioneer car with Garret turbine.

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/mineol ... ineola.jpg
and

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/Ronkon ... onkoma.jpg

And then two sets each of M1 modified turbine cars, two married pair by Garrett and two married pair by GE.


Right. I guess I meant two makes more than projects. Do we know for sure that Pullman didn't provide one of the coaches? I never remember hearing that, but this poster seems genuine enough to make it worth looking into I think.
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Re: Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

Postby DutchRailnut » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:49 pm

GT-1 and GT-2 are same car, first as straight garret turbine, then as GT-2 as dual mode electric/thirdrail/turbine.
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Re: Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

Postby goodnightjohnwayne » Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:49 pm

Lirr168 wrote:
DutchRailnut wrote:There were 3 projects the Budd demonstrator pioneer car with Garret turbine.

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/mineol ... ineola.jpg
and

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/Ronkon ... onkoma.jpg

And then two sets each of M1 modified turbine cars, two married pair by Garrett and two married pair by GE.


Right. I guess I meant two makes more than projects. Do we know for sure that Pullman didn't provide one of the coaches? I never remember hearing that, but this poster seems genuine enough to make it worth looking into I think.


It is absolutely clear that the prototype in question was provided by Budd. Of course, it does look a bid odd from the end because it wasn't a standard Pioneer III EMU, but started life as the entirely unique Pioneer III unpowered coach. In it's original late 1950s form, even the car ends were corrugated.
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Re: Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

Postby newkirk » Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:20 pm

Lrail wrote: Does anyone have any photos from the fantrip mentioned on http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/odds_ends/garett2.jpg
-Lee
Yeah, an old thread, but I have photos. Click on photos to enlarge.
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Re: Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

Postby dieciduej » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:51 pm

newkirk wrote:
Lrail wrote: Does anyone have any photos from the fantrip mentioned on http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/odds_ends/garett2.jpg
-Lee
Yeah, an old thread, but I have photos. Click on photos to enlarge.
November 13, 1977 - ERA Fantrip


It could be an optical illusion, but in the photo of the pod that held the turbine, the head room looks a little low for the window seat.
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Re: Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:58 pm

it sure was, some of cars ran as emergency backup of M-1's out of north white plains on mn , the area of turbine was real low .
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Re: Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

Postby nyandw » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:11 pm

newkirk wrote:
Lrail wrote: Does anyone have any photos from the fantrip mentioned on http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/odds_ends/garett2.jpg
-Lee
Yeah, an old thread, but I have photos. Click on photos to enlarge.
November 13, 1977 - ERA Fantrip


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Re: Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

Postby BuddR32 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:23 am

Thanks for the photos. I could only imagine the issues with the sliding trap door.
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Re: Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

Postby R36 Combine Coach » Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:42 am

Realized this design foreshadowed the Silverliner V - 35 years early.
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Re: Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

Postby MACTRAXX » Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:07 pm

dieciduej wrote:
newkirk wrote:
Lrail wrote: Does anyone have any photos from the fantrip mentioned on http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/odds_ends/garett2.jpg
-Lee
Yeah, an old thread, but I have photos. Click on photos to enlarge.
November 13, 1977 - ERA Fantrip


It could be an optical illusion, but in the photo of the pod that held the turbine, the head room looks a little low for the window seat.

JG and BM: Good interior pictures of the Garrett Turboliners. I had never previously seen any good
interior pictures of cars 4001-4004 - and that ceiling is definitely no optical illusion - what I would
like to know if that low side ceiling to accommodate the turbine unit was padded in some regard
and it probably was substantially insulated to keep heat out of the passenger compartment...

Another feature that I have not seen is the moveable floor panel that opens along with half a door
for the low level platform stairs - the stainless steel grab iron is a tip off along with the door open
warning to stay behind the yellow line...Today this likely would be much better marked with bright
warning striping along with the text on the second door which would be more noticeable. Likely it
would require specific announcements at each station to note which side that the doors will open
on along with repeated mention not to stand in this specific area...MACTRAXX
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Re: Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

Postby newkirk » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:26 pm

Mactraxx wrote: what I would
like to know if that low side ceiling to accommodate the turbine unit was padded in some regard
and it probably was substantially insulated to keep heat out of the passenger compartment...


It was padded when I tested it by pushing my thumb into the padding.

There were also fluorescent light fixtures and they were not padded. lol
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Re: Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

Postby newkirk » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:29 pm

BuddR32 wrote:Thanks for the photos. I could only imagine the issues with the sliding trap door.


I could see those sliding trap doors jamming either in the open or closed position.

People tracking in sand and melting compound from the platforms. Oh yeah, I could see it all now !
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Re: Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

Postby newkirk » Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:42 pm

Back by popular demand............I think so !
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Re: Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

Postby DutchRailnut » Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:47 pm

keep in mind in the M-1 version there was 4 cars by Garrett and 4 cars by GE , only difference was how the gas turbines were placed.

Garrets : https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?67778

GE : https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?132483
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Re: Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

Postby newkirk » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:44 am

DutchRailnut wrote: keep in mind in the M-1 version there was 4 cars by Garrett and 4 cars by GE , only difference was how the gas turbines were placed.


Correct, and U understand that the Garrett and G.E. turbine cars would not run MU together ?

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