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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby Riverduckexpress » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:34 pm



Here's the link to past versions of that page on the Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20130901000 ... ubletrack/
Perhaps the agency doesn't want people to see the original MTA page that promised half-hourly off-peak service after the end of the project? :wink:
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:03 pm

He beat me to the punch when it comes to the fact that the grade crossing incident occurred on a section of the Ronkonkoma Branch that was originally double-tracked to begin with well before they electrified the line. Like the project's moto is Two Tracks are Better than One, but I would love to see a weekend or a whole week go without someone being a monkey wrench.

If you think about it, most of the incidents that caused past interruptions (even before the project got the green light) occurred between Hicksville and Farmingdale. With the added reverse off-peak I was and I'm still worried about incidents at the following grade crossings:

-Straight Path
-Commack Road
-Executive Drive (Despite the fact it had been converted to a 2-track crossing when the branch was electrified)
-Carleton Avenue

Grade crossings that were already 2-tracks before the project of course will have me on edge.

Part of it is the increase in speed through stations now that we have two uninterrupted, continuous tracks. They actually wanted to close Wyandanch when the electrification of the branch was announced since they feared of trains flying through Straight Path at 80 MPH/MAS.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby vince » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:52 pm

Gentlemen,

Full four quadrant gates are better and may save some lives. Cost more yes,(est. about 30%) but what's a life worth?

Been watching some train cab ride videos in Europe . . . pretty much full quadrant in use everywhere.

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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby LB » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:33 pm

Did they retain the position lights at Ronkonkoma or switch to new signals?
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:10 pm

LB wrote:Did they retain the position lights at Ronkonkoma or switch to new signals?


All interlockings East of FARM except for KO (which goes into the yard) have been converted from position light to the new color signals. FARM will maintain their position lights, but the new DANCH, JS, new CI, the new OCEAN switch, and POND (former KO) had all the signal gantries razed, BRENT, FARM2, and CI1-CI2 have been razed. Up and down the line there are nothing but the NYCTA/Subway pedestal signals.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby LB » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:48 am

OK, thanks for the update. Are there plans to convert Hicksville over to color signals?
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby Head-end View » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:26 pm

Good question about Divide Interlocking at Hicksville. Been wondering about that myself. I'm guessing maybe as part of the Third Track Project. Hope they use the full-size signals with the triangular "G" Heads, not the new Reduced Aspect Signals now on the double track to Ronkonkoma.

Current pos-light signals at Divide were put in circa 2000 replacing the ones from the elevation project in 1964.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby newkirk » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:15 pm

Two photos from the overpass east of Wyandanch station.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:29 pm

Wyandanch courtesy of Edward Hand.


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One week before electrified service December 21st, 1987.

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September 21st, 2018.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MACTRAXX » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:44 pm

Everyone - The four Wyandanch photographs above:

1: LIST-NRHS fantrip consisting of the two SW1001 orange and gray protect engines; hack; work
gondola; three 2900 series coaches; work gondola and hack respectively. This was a popular trip
with a large number of riders enjoying the outside ride on the forward gondola.

2: The current view east from the overhead bridge east of Wyandanch. Note the new added track
with its new concrete ties along Long Island Avenue to the South. Acorn Street parallels the track
on the north side east to Deer Park Avenue (NYS 231) visible in the fan trip picture.

3: Looking west from the overhead bridge at dawn (with the sun behind the photographer) at an
eastbound train arriving at the then recently relocated Wyandanch Station. The old station was
located at where the train is just west of Straight Path. A 1958 vintage building once stood west
of the crossing (similar design to the current Bethpage Station) and was torn down during the
Hicksville-Ronkonkoma Electrification construction in 1985-86. Note the guardrails that are along
the track in the foreground - those were for overflow parking with the old facility. What was done
instead of removing the guard rails is that this area was simply fenced in and closed off.

4: The big winner in the Farmingdale-Ronkonkoma Second Track Project: Wyandanch - which got
an entirely new station facility built to replace what was built 30 years ago. If anyone remembers
what Wyandanch Station was like before the mid 1980s electrification the contrast between then
and now with the Wyandanch Rising project changes for beginners is startling...MACTRAXX
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby newkirk » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:46 pm

Mactraxx wrote: 4: The big winner in the Farmingdale-Ronkonkoma Second Track Project: Wyandanch - which got
an entirely new station facility built to replace what was built 30 years ago. If anyone remembers
what Wyandanch Station was like before the mid 1980s electrification the contrast between then
and now with the Wyandanch Rising project changes for beginners is startling...MACTRAXX


The new Wyandanch station is an eye opener. What a change !
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby Nasadowsk » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:19 pm

Gotta admit - that's a nice looking station!

The parking garage ain't too bad either!
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby newkirk » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:05 pm

If i'm not mistaken, you can only post three images at a time on railroad.net.

To view more, you are invited to view them here at:

http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=1488009
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby newkirk » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:02 pm

Found these three photos.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MACTRAXX » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:54 pm

BM and Everyone - I will add this information about the latest three Ronkonkoma Branch pictures:

1-An eastbound train at the Wellwood Avenue crossing. Pinelawn Station is to the right in the photo.
This would not only be a good calendar or holiday card picture it would have had a "cooling effect"
during this past Summer's heatwaves... :-)

2-Pinelawn Station with its then-brand new two car high level platform. Note the Hicksville-Ronkonkoma Electrification logo and notices on the bulletin board along with the new third
rail in the foreground on the track. Another interesting mention is that this new station had
no lights installed initially - as most know Pinelawn is served during midday hours primarily.
This only was a problem for the last train(s) stopping in the late afternoon during the short
days of November, December and January. The LIRR added two sodium-vapor tower lights
at a later date - which was an interesting move since no trains are scheduled to stop there
after dark. The early 80s vintage building was demolished recently when a second platform
was added during the Double Track Project.

3-A picture of a "standard five" LIRR push-pull train during the final days of diesel train service
near the completion of the Hicksville-Ronkonkoma Electrification. Full electrified service began
operation on January 18, 1988. This photo is looking east - both Acorn Street (on the left) and
Long Island Avenue (on the right) are fully visible going towards Deer Park.

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