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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:16 am

geico wrote:
SwingMan wrote:
geico wrote:Extend the 409 to Farmingdale train to Ronkonkoma to take some pressure off the 355.

Add another train between 553 and 621 from Penn to Ronk.[/quote}


That's what they're doing starting Tuesday..


Am I missing something? Do you see something I dont?

I just looked at the new schedule...

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What I'm seeing is PM PEAK trains only stopping at Deer Park and Brentwood using Platform A (which is the Westbound Platform) and arriving at Ronkonkoma only opening their doors to Platform C when it should be both B and C?
This station is Babylon, this is the train to Penn Station. Stopping at: Lindenhurst, Copiague, Amityville, Massapequa Park, Massapequa, Seaford, Wantagh, Bellmore, Merrick, Freeport, Baldwin, Rockville Centre, Lynbrook, Valley Stream, Jamaica, Kew Gardens, Forest Hills, Woodside, Penn Station.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby geico » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:22 am

MattAmity90 wrote:
geico wrote:
SwingMan wrote:
geico wrote:Extend the 409 to Farmingdale train to Ronkonkoma to take some pressure off the 355.

Add another train between 553 and 621 from Penn to Ronk.[/quote}


That's what they're doing starting Tuesday..


Am I missing something? Do you see something I dont?

I just looked at the new schedule...

8-29-2018 8-18-22 AM.png


What I'm seeing is PM PEAK trains only stopping at Deer Park and Brentwood using Platform A (which is the Westbound Platform) and arriving at Ronkonkoma only opening their doors to Platform C when it should be both B and C?


Everything opens to B. They only list A or C at Ronkonkoma to denote which track it will be coming in. Its always been this way.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby grobtech » Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:38 am

Does anyone know if they've run test trains on the segment between Farmingdale and Deer Park? It looks like infrastructure work is complete except for the stations.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby Trainmaster5 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:56 pm

What exactly is the status of the double track project today ? I mistakenly believed that the project was completed and that more service would be provided between Ronkonkoma and Farmingdale. That the approximately 3 hour gap westbound on weekday afternoons would be finally eliminated. I don't see any evidence of that in the new schedule. Just this afternoon a westbound train was reported being delayed because of a late eastbound train in single track territory between KO and CI.. WTH.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:49 pm

Trainmaster5 wrote:What exactly is the status of the double track project today ? I mistakenly believed that the project was completed and that more service would be provided between Ronkonkoma and Farmingdale. That the approximately 3 hour gap westbound on weekday afternoons would be finally eliminated. I don't see any evidence of that in the new schedule. Just this afternoon a westbound train was reported being delayed because of a late eastbound train in single track territory between KO and CI.. WTH.


They are replacing the other track in between Ronkonkoma and Central Islip. Service was switched over to the new track, so instead of them utilizing Platform B, they are using Platform A.

Edward posted new photos!

-Brentwood's station building is undergoing renovations, they are cleaning up along the ROW, but several cones have been laid on the platforms. It seems that Brentwood will see new lighting installed.

-Deer Park is seeing station building renovation, portions of the platform being replaced (possibly new lights). JS had its' gantry removed, and where DK is located is now straightened out with the second track and new siding.

-Wyandanch's platforms are completed with snow-melt system, new lighting, a new station building, the old 1987 depot was razed :( and I'm not sure if both platforms are in service but the Solari signs on both platforms are working. Areas surrounding the station have been cleaned up with crews removing equipment.

-Pinelawn has its' new turnabout paved where the station will have supplemented parking with an actual parking lot. Fencing and railing with lights have been installed with Solaris, but it is still a mystery with the new pedestal signal.

-At FARM the new track is connected, the FARM2 gantry will most likely be removed.

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Wyandanch: Final Result

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Pinelawn looking East

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FARM2
This station is Babylon, this is the train to Penn Station. Stopping at: Lindenhurst, Copiague, Amityville, Massapequa Park, Massapequa, Seaford, Wantagh, Bellmore, Merrick, Freeport, Baldwin, Rockville Centre, Lynbrook, Valley Stream, Jamaica, Kew Gardens, Forest Hills, Woodside, Penn Station.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MACTRAXX » Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:56 pm

Trainmaster5 wrote:What exactly is the status of the double track project today ? I mistakenly believed that the project was completed and that more service would be provided between Ronkonkoma and Farmingdale. That the approximately 3 hour gap westbound on weekday afternoons would be finally eliminated. I don't see any evidence of that in the new schedule. Just this afternoon a westbound train was reported being delayed because of a late eastbound train in single track territory between KO and CI.. WTH.

T5 and Everyone:
The Second Track Project was to be completed along with the new schedules effective September
4 - the day after Labor Day 2018. There is ongoing track work under way this weekend without
any outages that will require bus substitution.

I did take notice to a special Ronkonkoma Branch schedule that has been posted by the MTA that
has this caption instead of an effective date: http://web.mta.info/lirr/Timetable/
**UPON COMPLETION OF MAIN LINE 2ND TRACK PROJECT**
This schedule PDF can be found near the bottom of the listed schedule page with this listing:
"Upon Completion of Main Line Second Track Project (date to be announced) the Ronkonkoma
Branch Timetable (below) will take effect. Date To Be Announced."

Posting this timetable with an optional start date TBA likely gives the LIRR an "out" just in case
that more time is needed to fully complete the necessary track work allowing full two track service.
This long stretch of dry weather that central Long Island is currently experiencing (there has been
little if any significant rain for more then a week) is no doubt contributing to get this program to
the finish line - on time if the new schedule takes effect Tuesday September 4th...MACTRAXX
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby nyandw » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:12 pm

[quote="MattAmity90"][quote="Trainmaster5"]
Edward posted new photos! -Wyandanch's platforms are completed with snow-melt system, new lighting, a new station building, the old 1987 depot was razed :( and I'm not sure if both platforms are in service but the Solari signs on both platforms are working. Areas surrounding the station have been cleaned up with crews removing equipment.

This is the view W. and the photo date? 2.When was the 1987 station razed? Thanks!
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby workextra » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:12 am

No loss in loosing the 1987 era Piss box that they built. Same goes for the 1960s era block box at Bethpage.
Those structures were/are a total embarrassment to American architecture.
Wyandanch looks sharp! A modern era commuter station with a little heritage taste.
On the opposite end of the spectirem, Someone dropped the ball not trying to at least salvage the remains of the now likely abandoned fromer Brentwood Depot and relocating it to the existing facility in some way.
I do hope that can be salvaged and restored other than it looking like trash south of the main as it currently does.

A shout out to Mr Hand for his photo journalism of this project. A job well done.

The mainline corridor is likely going to be a game changer for LI down the line. With a younger generation that tends to prefer renting or living in complexes with access to public transportation I do wonder what further development this will bring. Up to and including boundary/neighborhood changes up to and including home owners bought out to rebuild and zone around the stations in Brentwood, CI and the rest of the area around Wyandanch.
That will be the final chapter in the double tracking to Ronkonkoma. The overal community results.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby Trainmaster5 » Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:30 pm

MACTRAXX wrote:
Trainmaster5 wrote:What exactly is the status of the double track project today ? I mistakenly believed that the project was completed and that more service would be provided between Ronkonkoma and Farmingdale. That the approximately 3 hour gap westbound on weekday afternoons would be finally eliminated. I don't see any evidence of that in the new schedule. Just this afternoon a westbound train was reported being delayed because of a late eastbound train in single track territory between KO and CI.. WTH.

T5 and Everyone:
The Second Track Project was to be completed along with the new schedules effective September
4 - the day after Labor Day 2018. There is ongoing track work under way this weekend without
any outages that will require bus substitution.

I did take notice to a special Ronkonkoma Branch schedule that has been posted by the MTA that
has this caption instead of an effective date: http://web.mta.info/lirr/Timetable/
**UPON COMPLETION OF MAIN LINE 2ND TRACK PROJECT**
This schedule PDF can be found near the bottom of the listed schedule page with this listing:
"Upon Completion of Main Line Second Track Project (date to be announced) the Ronkonkoma
Branch Timetable (below) will take effect. Date To Be Announced."

Posting this timetable with an optional start date TBA likely gives the LIRR an "out" just in case
that more time is needed to fully complete the necessary track work allowing full two track service.
This long stretch of dry weather that central Long Island is currently experiencing (there has been
little if any significant rain for more then a week) is no doubt contributing to get this program to
the finish line - on time if the new schedule takes effect Tuesday September 4th...MACTRAXX

That second schedule is what caught my eye originally .When the 9/4 new schedule listings were posted , in my opinion, the Ronkonkoma field should have been omitted with a notation referencing the information you have clarified . Imagine how many riders, casual or commuters, will click on the 9/4 branch listing and overlook the other schedule located down the page. IDK, maybe listing the schedules one below the other as Ronkonkoma 1 & Ronkonkoma 2 ? After 30 years with NYCT as a M/M and C/R I can guarantee there will be complaints come Tuesday. Carry on.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby SwingMan » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:05 am

grobtech wrote:Does anyone know if they've run test trains on the segment between Farmingdale and Deer Park? It looks like infrastructure work is complete except for the stations.



They were yesterday afternoon.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby Head-end View » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:11 pm

Nothing on the news today about the completion of the project so I assume it's not happening just yet. That's just as well as it's better for the project to be built and finished carefully by the crews involved, even if it takes a month longer than hoped. When projects are completed early because of a political agenda, usually corners are cut and work ends up having to be done over again. If anyone's interested, I can cite a glaring example from my former line of work.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby geico » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:38 pm

Head-end View wrote:Nothing on the news today about the completion of the project so I assume it's not happening just yet. That's just as well as it's better for the project to be built and finished carefully by the crews involved, even if it takes a month longer than hoped. When projects are completed early because of a political agenda, usually corners are cut and work ends up having to be done over again. If anyone's interested, I can cite a glaring example from my former line of work.


Well the signals union people wanted another year to test the signals before implementing them which IMHO is ridiculous and just cries as wanting to milk the cow.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby geico » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:39 pm

Trainmaster5 wrote:
MACTRAXX wrote:
Trainmaster5 wrote:What exactly is the status of the double track project today ? I mistakenly believed that the project was completed and that more service would be provided between Ronkonkoma and Farmingdale. That the approximately 3 hour gap westbound on weekday afternoons would be finally eliminated. I don't see any evidence of that in the new schedule. Just this afternoon a westbound train was reported being delayed because of a late eastbound train in single track territory between KO and CI.. WTH.

T5 and Everyone:
The Second Track Project was to be completed along with the new schedules effective September
4 - the day after Labor Day 2018. There is ongoing track work under way this weekend without
any outages that will require bus substitution.

I did take notice to a special Ronkonkoma Branch schedule that has been posted by the MTA that
has this caption instead of an effective date: http://web.mta.info/lirr/Timetable/
**UPON COMPLETION OF MAIN LINE 2ND TRACK PROJECT**
This schedule PDF can be found near the bottom of the listed schedule page with this listing:
"Upon Completion of Main Line Second Track Project (date to be announced) the Ronkonkoma
Branch Timetable (below) will take effect. Date To Be Announced."

Posting this timetable with an optional start date TBA likely gives the LIRR an "out" just in case
that more time is needed to fully complete the necessary track work allowing full two track service.
This long stretch of dry weather that central Long Island is currently experiencing (there has been
little if any significant rain for more then a week) is no doubt contributing to get this program to
the finish line - on time if the new schedule takes effect Tuesday September 4th...MACTRAXX

That second schedule is what caught my eye originally .When the 9/4 new schedule listings were posted , in my opinion, the Ronkonkoma field should have been omitted with a notation referencing the information you have clarified . Imagine how many riders, casual or commuters, will click on the 9/4 branch listing and overlook the other schedule located down the page. IDK, maybe listing the schedules one below the other as Ronkonkoma 1 & Ronkonkoma 2 ? After 30 years with NYCT as a M/M and C/R I can guarantee there will be complaints come Tuesday. Carry on.


Whats the diffrence between the 9/4 and the TBD schedule. Look pretty much the same to me with the exception of the 622 going back to 624 and the 527 going back to 529.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby Trainmaster5 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:59 pm

geico wrote:
Trainmaster5 wrote:
MACTRAXX wrote:
Trainmaster5 wrote:What exactly is the status of the double track project today ? I mistakenly believed that the project was completed and that more service would be provided between Ronkonkoma and Farmingdale. That the approximately 3 hour gap westbound on weekday afternoons would be finally eliminated. I don't see any evidence of that in the new schedule. Just this afternoon a westbound train was reported being delayed because of a late eastbound train in single track territory between KO and CI.. WTH.

T5 and Everyone:
The Second Track Project was to be completed along with the new schedules effective September
4 - the day after Labor Day 2018. There is ongoing track work under way this weekend without
any outages that will require bus substitution.

I did take notice to a special Ronkonkoma Branch schedule that has been posted by the MTA that
has this caption instead of an effective date: http://web.mta.info/lirr/Timetable/
**UPON COMPLETION OF MAIN LINE 2ND TRACK PROJECT**
This schedule PDF can be found near the bottom of the listed schedule page with this listing:
"Upon Completion of Main Line Second Track Project (date to be announced) the Ronkonkoma
Branch Timetable (below) will take effect. Date To Be Announced."

Posting this timetable with an optional start date TBA likely gives the LIRR an "out" just in case
that more time is needed to fully complete the necessary track work allowing full two track service.
This long stretch of dry weather that central Long Island is currently experiencing (there has been
little if any significant rain for more then a week) is no doubt contributing to get this program to
the finish line - on time if the new schedule takes effect Tuesday September 4th...MACTRAXX

That second schedule is what caught my eye originally .When the 9/4 new schedule listings were posted , in my opinion, the Ronkonkoma field should have been omitted with a notation referencing the information you have clarified . Imagine how many riders, casual or commuters, will click on the 9/4 branch listing and overlook the other schedule located down the page. IDK, maybe listing the schedules one below the other as Ronkonkoma 1 & Ronkonkoma 2 ? After 30 years with NYCT as a M/M and C/R I can guarantee there will be complaints come Tuesday. Carry on.


Whats the diffrence between the 9/4 and the TBD schedule. Look pretty much the same to me with the exception of the 622 going back to 624 and the 527 going back to 529.

Check out the westbound departures from KO from 4pm to 7pm daily on each schedule. Big difference in the service levels.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby geico » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:09 am

Trainmaster5 wrote:
geico wrote:
Trainmaster5 wrote:
MACTRAXX wrote:
Trainmaster5 wrote:What exactly is the status of the double track project today ? I mistakenly believed that the project was completed and that more service would be provided between Ronkonkoma and Farmingdale. That the approximately 3 hour gap westbound on weekday afternoons would be finally eliminated. I don't see any evidence of that in the new schedule. Just this afternoon a westbound train was reported being delayed because of a late eastbound train in single track territory between KO and CI.. WTH.

T5 and Everyone:
The Second Track Project was to be completed along with the new schedules effective September
4 - the day after Labor Day 2018. There is ongoing track work under way this weekend without
any outages that will require bus substitution.

I did take notice to a special Ronkonkoma Branch schedule that has been posted by the MTA that
has this caption instead of an effective date: http://web.mta.info/lirr/Timetable/
**UPON COMPLETION OF MAIN LINE 2ND TRACK PROJECT**
This schedule PDF can be found near the bottom of the listed schedule page with this listing:
"Upon Completion of Main Line Second Track Project (date to be announced) the Ronkonkoma
Branch Timetable (below) will take effect. Date To Be Announced."

Posting this timetable with an optional start date TBA likely gives the LIRR an "out" just in case
that more time is needed to fully complete the necessary track work allowing full two track service.
This long stretch of dry weather that central Long Island is currently experiencing (there has been
little if any significant rain for more then a week) is no doubt contributing to get this program to
the finish line - on time if the new schedule takes effect Tuesday September 4th...MACTRAXX

That second schedule is what caught my eye originally .When the 9/4 new schedule listings were posted , in my opinion, the Ronkonkoma field should have been omitted with a notation referencing the information you have clarified . Imagine how many riders, casual or commuters, will click on the 9/4 branch listing and overlook the other schedule located down the page. IDK, maybe listing the schedules one below the other as Ronkonkoma 1 & Ronkonkoma 2 ? After 30 years with NYCT as a M/M and C/R I can guarantee there will be complaints come Tuesday. Carry on.


Whats the diffrence between the 9/4 and the TBD schedule. Look pretty much the same to me with the exception of the 622 going back to 624 and the 527 going back to 529.

Check out the westbound departures from KO from 4pm to 7pm daily on each schedule. Big difference in the service levels.


OK, 2 extra trains westbound.... how about extending some of those midday departure trains that start at Farmingdale to start at Ronkonkoma or maybe increase service levels eastbound in the mid day (another train between 314 and 355 would help and one between 2 and 3)
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