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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MACTRAXX » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:26 am

MACTRAXX wrote:Everyone:

Between Central Islip and Ronkonkoma third rail is now installed on the new concrete tied second
track. I want to check the status of progress between Central Islip and Brentwood during this next
week in particular the Islip Avenue/NYS 111 crossing which I recall there was no provisions yet in
place for the second track. With the winter weather break (lack of any significant snowfall or any
snow/ice for any extended period needing to be removed) progress is being made in this project.

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I was able to get to the Islip Avenue/NYS 111 grade crossing on President's Day weekend and
noticed no changes there meaning no provisions have been made to install a second track there
at this point. The progress westward looks to be similar to what I have seen previously - second
track to just west of the Peters Boulevard grade crossing and then graded ROW to a point east of
the CI team siding in which there is more third rails being stocked for installation.

The snowstorm of Thursday 2/9 dumped around one foot of snow in central Suffolk County and
perhaps set back some work but now with significant weather breaks coming into the beginning
of March it could help progress in other places along the route between Deer Park and Republic.

When the Central Islip-Brentwood track segment is completed and goes into service later in 2017
(being optimistic) it will be interesting to see what changes are made to the Central Islip station
concerning westbound trains - will they cross over and continue to serve the south platform or do
they go west on the new track and serve the north platform? CI is the only station built new back
during the Hicksville-Ronkonkoma Electrification (completed 30 years ago-1987) in which facilities
are on the south side - with the new second track will there be TVMs and any waiting room added
to the north side in the area of the pedestrian overpass or near the Lowell Avenue crossing?

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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:50 pm

When do you think the Ronkonkoma-Central Islip segment will go into service?
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:01 am

It's been quite a while since anyone posted on this topic, but I need a little fill in. From the last time we discussed, work was still going on where the old Deer Park station was as they pile drove buttresses and retaining walls to widen the Southern bank for the second track in Wyandanch. Obviously all the brush and trees have been cleared from the East end of FARM Interlocking to the West end of CI we know that. I also heard that the second track that has been laid between Ronkonkoma and Central Islip is fully installed, embedded in ballast, and that they have installed the third rail from what I heard. Either way I hear that despite a couple of snafus from winter weather the project is going along smoothly and more efficiently. Care to reply if you have any updates regarding what I mentioned.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:54 am

Just found out that this weekend two things are going to happen:

1.) The temporary switch West of the Ocean Avenue crossing will be eliminated.
2.) The second track will be laid down West of Central Islip (they didn't specify if it would be all the way to Brentwood, but I guess it will). Carleton Avenue, St. Peters Boulevard have been converted into two track crossings, but I'm not sure about the Rt. 111/Islip Avenue crossing.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:59 am

Does anyone know if the Route 111/Islip Avenue grade crossing in between Central Islip and Brentwood was rehabilitated from a one track to a two track crossing?
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby tj48 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:28 pm

The new intersection of Wellwood Ave and Long Island Ave.\Conklin St. is finally in operation. Since the new 2nd main will go through the existing Pinelawn station I'm guessing the station will be razed next. Anybody know where the new Pinelawn Station is to be located?
The small one row parking lot located between S 18th st crossing and Straight Path crossing in Wyandanch has been torn out and a crew is working on the new 2nd track roadbed.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:11 am

It wouldn't be on the other side of Wellwood because of the NY&AR siding switch, doubt it would be moved to where the East Great Neck Road grade crossing is, my guess would be where it is. I'm sure they left enough room between the new intersection and the roadbed for the second track. Then all they have to do is build the new platforms, and preserve the station building, al la Lindenhurst and Wantagh.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby jamestrains1 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:26 pm

tj48 wrote:... Anybody know where the new Pinelawn Station is to be located?


As described in the Environmental Assessment, the eastbound platform would be east of Wellwood Avenue (CR 3), the westbound platform would be west of Wellwood Avenue.

An earlier design proposal considered locating both platforms east of Wellwood Avenue, shown in the last image below from the Environmental Assessment Appendix. This design is dated 26 October 2012. The locations were later adjusted to mitigate potential increased traffic caused by increased gate downtime.

Long Island Rail Road Double Track Project – Ronkonkoma to Farmingdale
Environmental Assessment Chapters 1 & 2

September 2013
http://web.mta.info/lirr/doubletrack/Final%20LIRR%20Double%20Track%20EA%20Chapters%201%20and%202.pdf
see pdf pg. 30, 118, 128

see pdf pg. 30
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see pdf pg. 118
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see pdf pg. 125
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Long Island Rail Road Double Track Project – Ronkonkoma to Farmingdale
Environmental Assessment Appendices Volume 2

September 2013 (design dated 26 October 2012)
http://web.mta.info/lirr/doubletrack/Final%20LIRR%20Double%20Track%20EA%20Appendices%20Volume%202%20(F-L).pdf
see pdf pg. 56

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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MACTRAXX » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:33 pm

MattAmity90 wrote:Does anyone know if the Route 111/Islip Avenue grade crossing in between Central Islip and Brentwood was rehabilitated from a one track to a two track crossing?


MA (and Everyone:)

No. At this point there is no change at Islip Avenue - there are yet no provisions there to install a second track at this crossing.

There is at least one signal box east of the crossing that has to be removed that is in the second track ROW there.

Before a project of this type that will require closure of the Islip Avenue crossing advance notice along with a busing program
(more than likely Ronkonkoma-Brentwood) will be given along with the placement of track panels nearby to be installed.

The one day trackwork program on April 15th more then likely was for more work to complete the Ronkonkoma-Central Islip
track segment. On 4/15 there were work crews in the vicinity of CI1 west towards Carleton Avenue and Peters Boulevard.
Track is being installed up to Peters Boulevard but nothing has changed west of there.

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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MACTRAXX » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:00 pm

MattAmity90 wrote:It wouldn't be on the other side of Wellwood because of the NY&AR siding switch, doubt it would be moved to where the East Great Neck Road grade crossing is, my guess would be where it is. I'm sure they left enough room between the new intersection and the roadbed for the second track. Then all they have to do is build the new platforms, and preserve the station building, al la Lindenhurst and Wantagh.


JT, MA and Everyone:

I took note to the posted impact statement - dated 2012 - and will mention the placement of the Pinelawn platforms as well as what may be
done with the current station building:

Staggering the platforms at Pinelawn to build a westbound platform on the north side depends on which open cars will serve the platform.
Having the first two west open cars platform will require the Wellwood Avenue crossing to be blocked for each westbound train stop.
Placing the eastbound platform on the south side west of the crossing will again require the crossing to be blocked for each train stop
and will more then likely platform the first two open cars instead of the rear two open cars. The best approach is to place the new east
bound platform where it is now - shifted over to accommodate the new track - along with shifting Long Island Avenue a few feet over
(if necessary along with the LIA/Wellwood Avenue intersection) to allow the current 2 car platform to be moved over.

The Pinelawn Station building is nothing special - it was built in the early/mid 1980s before the Hicksville-Ronkonkoma Electrification as a
courtesy to LIRR passengers from the surrounding cemeteries. It is basically only an unlocked room to allow safe shelter during inclement
weather. This building has no historical significance and if it can not be moved over a new one may need to be built.

When Pinelawn Station was constructed back 30 plus years ago it had the dubious distinction of the only LIRR station without any lighting.
This was only a problem during the short days of November-February when late afternoon trains stopped there. At some point there were
two platform tower lights installed - but what makes this interesting is that no scheduled trains stop there after dark - especially during
the longer days of Daylight Saving Time...

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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MACTRAXX » Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:16 pm

Everyone:

This weekend (June 3-4) marks the first of three scheduled Ronkonkoma-Brentwood second track
construction outages (the others are June 24-25 and July 8-9) for track work on this seven mile
track segment addition especially the Ronkonkoma-Central Islip stretch which is near complete.

There has been slow progress so far in 2017 on this project and with the work season now here
it may be time for significant changes ahead...MACTRAXX
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:23 pm

It's good to know that more work is being done. I know they have been installing the third rail on the second track between CI-KO. Does one of the outages call for laying additional track the rest of the way to Brentwood?
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby Amtrak7 » Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:26 am

In addition to the two upcoming weekend outages mentioned above, there is a CI-KO outage Jun 17-18.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:05 am

I heard from LIRR and a few Facebook posts that a new crossover was installed in between the Ocean Avenue and Pond Road crossings. This past weekend (June 17-18) was a KO-CI outage, but second track construction did take place as there was no train service between Ronkonkoma and Farmingdale. Must have done more work in between Wyandanch and Deer Park at the Deer Park Avenue bridge.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MACTRAXX » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:33 am

MA90 (and Everyone:)

Your Facebook source got the information about the June 17-18 CI-KO trackwork program wrong
as far as train service was concerned...

ALL trains originated and terminated at Central Islip with buses provided to/from Ronkonkoma.
The exception was six trains originated and terminated at Farmingdale as noted below...

In the special timetable:
"Service between Farmingdale and Ronkonkoma will not be provided for trains arriving at Penn
Station westbound at 11:30AM, 12:30PM and 1:30PM and leaving eastbound at 4:39, 5:39 and
6:39PM." This was trains 8091,8093 and 8095 west and 8090,8092 and 8094 east.

The June 24-25 weekend trackwork program (and July 8-9) will have busing between Brentwood
and Ronkonkoma along with the same six trains running to/from Farmingdale only.

Refer to the Special Timetables issued for these programs for the most accurate information...
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