MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdale

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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby Riverduckexpress » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:32 am

The TBD schedule also has the 6:07 AM eastbound weekday train from Penn extended to Ronkonkoma, arriving at 7:26 AM, instead of terminating at Farmingdale like it does currently. This conveniently also provides a connection to 7:30 AM scoot from Ronkonkoma to Greenport.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:17 am

Interesting departures according to Train Time on MTA's website.

-All trains to and from Ronkonkoma will arrive and depart on Track 1. There is no service on Track 2, and I'm guessing that's because they are replacing the Southern track like they did from Central Islip to OCEAN.

-Both tracks are now in service for stations Central Islip, Brentwood, and Deer Park.

-Only Track 1 is in service at Wyandanch and Pinelawn.

I looked at Edward Hand's photos from yesterday, and DANCH Interlocking is not ready yet since the signals are bagged over.

-At Central Islip, Brentwood, and Deer Park the Westbound trains are utilizing Platform A (Track 1), and Eastbound trains are utilizing Platform B (Track 2). I've been keeping track on the website. It seems that Ronkonkoma still has both tracks now since it showed a train that terminates there arriving on Track 1 and on Track 2. While all Penn Station-bounds arrive on Track 1. Wyandanch, and Pinelawn are still using only Track 1 (some say Track "0"), and both tracks are being used at Farmingdale and Bethpage.

My estimate is that this project will be completed by the end of September in time for Columbus Day. They are just putting up new signs.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MACTRAXX » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:52 pm

Everyone:

The September 4, 2018 Ronkonkoma Branch schedule effective today takes note to these changes
with this text on the cover:

"As the LIRR continues ongoing track work in preparation to the completion of the Double Track
Project the following service improvements will take effect on 9/4:

The 7:37 AM weekday train from Penn Station to Ronkonkoma (#2010) will make added stops at
Bethpage and Wyandanch.

The 4:46 PM weekday westbound train from Ronkonkoma to Penn Station (#2061) will make two
added stops at Brentwood and Wyandanch. "

This new schedule has a purple cover reading "Revised Branch Timetable" along with "Form 3
TPSS-133" on the rear bottom below the Hunterspoint Avenue schedule.

Noted in this timetable is eastbound train #2008 6:07 AM Penn Station to Farmingdale arriving
at 7:00 AM and westbound train #2061 4:46 PM westbound to Penn Station arriving at 6:10 PM.

There is a full three hour gap westbound from stations Ronkonkoma thru Wyandanch with #2069
scheduled as the next westbound train - 7:45 PM from Ronkonkoma.

Both trains #2063 and #2065 begin at Farmingdale at 6:25 and 7:00 PM respectively. These two
trains will both be extended to Ronkonkoma with the Double Track program completion to finally
close the long westbound weekday afternoon/evening gap between trains.

Another interesting observation is that there is no notes showing which platforms trains are using
(A or B) in Central Islip on both the new weekday and weekend schedules.

This will likely be the last Ronkonkoma Branch Timetable issued before the Second Track Program
completion - it will be interesting to see when the LIRR expects to finish any needed track work
before two track full service begins...MACTRAXX
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby geico » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:55 pm

There is an error on the new schedule. It shows "A" on Deer Park and Brentwood for the 424 and 451 trains. They are stopping on the south side "B" platforms.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby Trainmaster5 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:09 pm

I noticed that for the next two weekends buses will replace trains between Ronkonkoma and Hicksville. Been riding this branch before it was electrified so I guess two more weekend outages won't be the end of the world. Been looking at the old Brentwood station and I, too, wonder what's going to happen to the building.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby nyandw » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:28 pm

When was the raze of Wyandanch Station in August? Thanks.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby LB » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:51 pm

As the LIRR slowly migrates away from control towers, is the plan for Divide to still control the Main Line east of Hicksville once the double track project is complete? Or is the larger plan to wait until the 3rd track project is complete and then make a cutover to Centralized Train Control?
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby gamer4616 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:53 pm

New south side platforms at Wyandanch / Pinelawn open to the public tomorrow.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MNCRR9000 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:03 am

LB wrote:As the LIRR slowly migrates away from control towers, is the plan for Divide to still control the Main Line east of Hicksville once the double track project is complete? Or is the larger plan to wait until the 3rd track project is complete and then make a cutover to Centralized Train Control?


From what I was reading Divide will still control the Main Line east of Hicksville once the double track project is complete.
In regards to the Third Track Project Queens interlockings, Bellrose, new and existing Hempstead, Nassau 1, 2, 3,4 and Locust will be controlled from the Jamaica Control Center (JCC). Nassau Tower will be demolished.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby milepost39 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:47 am

Does anyone know if Deer Park station will be receiving a similar upgrade to that of Wyandanch?

I dropped someone off last week at the Farmingdale station. Good to see the restoration of the depot there. It kinda reminded me of Oyster Bay! Are platforms getting upgraded as well?

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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby newkirk » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:49 pm

Milepost 39 wrote: dropped someone off last week at the Farmingdale station. Good to see the restoration of the depot there. It kinda reminded me of Oyster Bay! Are platforms getting upgraded as well?


Not the platforms themselves. The platform fencing was replaced a few years ago. I see what looks like preliminary work to upgrade platform lighting, replacing those hideous prison yard platform lights that seem to light up the entire area. Those safety cones are spaced apart for what should be shorter decorative poles with LED lighting.

Can't wait to see the finished interior of the station building. I guess the disused ticket office will be history.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby Head-end View » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:06 pm

Just a guess, but I think Divide tower will probably keep control of their entire Interlocking that goes to about a mile west of Hicksville Station. Also, just a point of trivia, there is no actual Bellerose Interlocking. It's part of Queens Interlocking.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:22 pm

With this being the first day after the September 8th-9th weekend outage, here's what it is like for your trains:

1.) Both tracks are officially in service as you depart Ronkonkoma.
2.) Full double-track service in both directions at Central Islip, Brentwood, and Deer Park.
3.) Trains are being diverted to the new track (MAIN2) at JS, with MAIN1 being temporarily out of service.
4.) Trains are platforming at Wyandanch at Platform B only.
5.) Trains are diverting back to MAIN1 at DANCH and Platform A at Pinelawn is in service, Platform B is not.
6.) Once you hit FARM it goes back to two tracks.

They are doing something with a signal hut at Wyandanch next to Platform A, in fact I think the remaining work that will be done through the outage will be conducted by the signal department. MAIN1 is out of service from JS to DANCH, and then MAIN2 is out of service from DANCH to FARM.

Yes, at Brentwood and Deer Park cones are spaced out on their platforms because they are replacing the Cup Lights, with the light fixtures you see at Wyandanch, and Pinelawn. Wyandanch has its' pedestrian bridge in service, and as a joke with the elevators not in service yet, they put signs that say "Preventive Maintenance."
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby krispy » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:56 am

Eventually everything will be remoted to a future JCC, but that's not in the near future. Divide controls everything up to Nassau's home signal on No 1 track by the Meadowbrook pkwy, and at Divide's home signal at bridge 1 on No 2, and everything east thereof. Bellerose was an interlocking until the Queens rebuild a few years back, and then it became Queens 3, as did Floral Park's interlocking became Queens 4. And of course this may change as they rebuild for the future third track. As mentioned earlier Queens and Nassau will go to JCC and Nassau will get demolished. I'm not sure if it's worth saving as it's really rickety now when they took out the frame of the old model 14. It really shakes if a big freight goes through and can be scary when that Montauk would go flying by late in the evening, especially in the old days when they would have that monster puddle there.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby hrfcarl » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:55 am

With most east bound trains going to use the southern track (main line 2), is the LIRR considering installing stairs on the west side of Deer Park's pedestrian bridge going all the way down to the street/parking level to help relieve congestion on the platform and stairs while allowing riders to spread over more cars on the trains? Never understood why this was not done when the current stairs were rehabbed a few years back, especially when temp stairs were installed on the west side to allow this work to be done.
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