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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby DaveBarraza » Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:06 pm

I think they will use a tamping / lining machine to straighten out that is now just roughed-in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamping_machine

I think there is one of these out east of Farmingdale right now actually, or something similar.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:06 pm

June 2 & 3: Buses Replace Weekend Trains between Ronkonkoma & Hicksville

To accommodate trackwork related to the LIRR’s Double Track Project, buses will replace trains between Ronkonkoma and Hicksville Saturday, June 2 and Sunday, June 3. The first westbound bus departs Ronkonkoma at 12:02 AM. The first eastbound bus departs Hicksville at 12:59 AM. Service will be affected as follows:

Westbound

Customers at stations Ronkonkoma through Bethpage will board buses to Hicksville up to 45 minutes earlier than normal train times, then transfer to westbound trains.
Customers at stations Greenport through Medford will board buses at Ronkonkoma and ride to Hicksville, where train service will resume.
Customers will arrive at western terminals 1 hour later than normal.

Eastbound

Customers traveling to stations Bethpage through Ronkonkoma will transfer to buses at Hicksville. Plan for 46 minutes of added travel time.
Departure times for trains that provide connecting service to Greenport have been adjusted:
Customers who normally take the 2:53 AM train from Penn to Ronkonkoma will transfer at Hicksville for a bus that will make all local stops to Greenport.
Customers who normally take the 8:14 AM and the 1:14 PM trains from Penn to Ronkonkoma for connecting service to Greenport will depart from Penn Station 1 hour earlier than normal, at 7:12 AM and 12:12 PM.

My guess is connecting and adding embankment to the CI2 sight using the tamping/lining equipment, connection of track in Ronkonkoma, and possibly Brentwood work?
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby tj48 » Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:09 am

mjd13076 wrote:While viewing pictures of the KO double track project, I can't help but notice some of the tracks literally look like squiggly lines. Is this just part of the building process and there’s a certain machine that rolls over the rails to straighten them out? I know some of these pictures are taken with a long lens and distance compression adds to the effect but...


From what I've seen the crews drop layers of ballast using a Trackmobile and 4 Herzog ballast cars similar to these, although at a much slower pace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRgI9gCpXdY
Then a tie tamper similar to this:
Tie tamper. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxZ4qwkfkyQ
Then a track stabilizer similar to this:
Track stabilizer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs59-FHi-Gs
The process continues over and over, dumping ballast, tamping and stabilizing, building up the roadbed.
When the tamping and stabilizing is done the ballast regulator does the final smoothing. A ballast regulator has been working the grade between Wyandanch and the Deer Park Ave overpass for the last 2 days.
Ballast regulator. A tie tamper is first then the regulator is at the end of the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sVpJDh1OgQ
Having never seen any of these machines in person it has been interesting watching the process tranforming just track and ties laying on bare ground to a finished ROW.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Sun Jun 03, 2018 3:26 am

From Ronkonkoma to Farmingdale:

1.) Connect the new second track at KO Interlocking (which has to be reconfigured).
2.) Connect and stabilize the track at the former site of CI2.
3.) Eliminate BRENT and connect the second track to Track 2 at Brentwood.
4.) Eliminate the current dividing switch at JS, since JS will be two crossovers. The new switches will be slightly West of the current one.
5.) Installation of third rail all the way to Little East Neck Road.
6.) Completion of platform facilities at Wyandanch (full 12-car new platform next to the new track, and a rehabilitated 6-car segment of the current. Staircases next to elevators to the pedestrian bridge).
7.) Signal installation at DANCH and new signals at JS.
8.) New fence to be erected to the North of the ROW at Pinelawn.
9.) Completion of platform facilities at Pinelawn.
10.) Installation of third rail from Wellwood Avenue to FARM (which has to be reconfigured).
11.) Second track to be connected at FARM. (which has to be reconfigured).
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:50 pm

Edward Hand's photos show the following:

1.) At Ronkonkoma and KO Interlocking, Track 2 is BARRICADED, Tri-Color signals are wrapped.
2.) Second track has been electrified from Pond Road to just before the former turnout switch at CI2, new crossover switch in between Pond and Ocean electrified.
3.) Ballast was added to the former turnout switch site and the current track from 1987 connected to the new track (not ready)
4.) BRENT is still untouched.
5.) A new signal being installed at Deer Park near Executive Drive for Pineaire. Something with a new hut.
6.) The new second track at JS has been straightened with two crossovers installed.
7.) Third rail has been installed from the JS switches to the Deer Park Avenue bridge.
8.) Temporary DK is gone.
9.) The Western half of Wyandanch's current platform has been torn down along with the station building.
10.) The newly rehabilitated Eastern half of Wyandanch's current platform is in service with a canopy towards the center. Today it went into service (first 6 cars will not platform on a WB train, last 6 will not platform on an EB).
11.) No photos were taken at Pinelawn.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby inthebag » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:30 am

Wyandanch is now head 6 cars in either direction.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:00 am

Project update June 20th, 2018:

1.) As far as I know the second track with the BARRICADE Octagon still has it.
2.) Ronkonkoma's Platform A elevator is being renovated, just like the Platform B was earlier.
3.) The new second track at CI2 has been connected, graded, and has the new third rail connected to the existing third rail.
4.) BRENT still is not connected, but the station buildings continue being renovated.
5.) Temporary DK still there.
6.) Third rail has been installed all the way to Wyandanch.
7.) Rail and Tie cleaner vehicles continue going along.
8.) Ballast is being evened out between Straight Path and Little East Neck Road.
9.) Third rail has not been installed between the above-mentioned grade crossings.
10.) The new DANCH Interlocking is becoming clearer with the turnover switches becoming crossovers.

It's worthy to note that Edward DID NOT photograph JS, but between Commack Road and Carll's Path the third rail has not been laid. That area along with the stretch that includes DANCH Interlocking are the only ones that lack the third rail. The CI2 signal gantry is still standing as well as the gantry just West of Ronkonkoma.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:34 pm

The Ronkonkoma Branch that I knew as a child has been transformed into anew with the one from my younger days being cast as yesteryear.

Project update after the July 14th-15th outage according to Edward Hand's photos:

1.) KO Interlocking gantry has been razed.
2.) The second track connection has been connected to what looks like the already existing second track East of Pond Road (both tracks had the BARRICADE octagons placed).
3.) Track work was done at CI
4.) Brentwood was not connected, but patchwork was being done to the platforms.
5.) Platform slabs were installed for new ramps at Deer Park.
6.) Wyandanch now has both the existing platform and new second platform at 12-car lengths. Wouldn't be surprised if the Western half of the current platform is put into service tomorrow since they are already installing the yellow line rumble stripe.
7.) Canopies installed on both sides, elevator shafts surrounded by bricks.
8.) DANCH Interlocking has its' new signals covered, and third rail installed around it.
9.) Nothing done at Pinelawn as far as I'm concerned.'
10.) Track work with a ballast car near FARM.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:36 am

The route of the trains has changed dramatically. Before I get into that, KO1 has been renamed POND while KO2 is now just KO, and the new crossover switch in between Ocean and Pond is now in service. What they did was realign the tracks to make it two parallel tracks, and they ripped out a section of track that was a siding West of Ronkonkoma. There is a gap with no third rail for either track East of Pond Road where I'm uncertain if a switch will go in there or not.

Trains to and from Ronkonkoma now take a route similar to the chicane at Watkins Glen.

-When a train approaches the new CI Interlocking they go from the original and switch to the new track and stop at Central Islip's platform B.
-After traveling the 4 miles on the current revenue track and going over Ocean, they switch to the new track using the new crossover and go over Pond.
-When coming into the station where the two tracks are of course in service (since 1987) they use the utilize the Eastern crossover switch of POND to enter either Track 1 or Track 2.

MTA's website did not specify whether Wyandanch's newly rehabilitated platform will serve a full 12-car train since the Western half looks passenger ready despite only one Solari.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby geico » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:40 am

MattAmity90 wrote:The route of the trains has changed dramatically. Before I get into that, KO1 has been renamed POND while KO2 is now just KO, and the new crossover switch in between Ocean and Pond is now in service. What they did was realign the tracks to make it two parallel tracks, and they ripped out a section of track that was a siding West of Ronkonkoma. There is a gap with no third rail for either track East of Pond Road where I'm uncertain if a switch will go in there or not.

Trains to and from Ronkonkoma now take a route similar to the chicane at Watkins Glen.

-When a train approaches the new CI Interlocking they go from the original and switch to the new track and stop at Central Islip's platform B.
-After traveling the 4 miles on the current revenue track and going over Ocean, they switch to the new track using the new crossover and go over Pond.
-When coming into the station where the two tracks are of course in service (since 1987) they use the utilize the Eastern crossover switch of POND to enter either Track 1 or Track 2.

MTA's website did not specify whether Wyandanch's newly rehabilitated platform will serve a full 12-car train since the Western half looks passenger ready despite only one Solari.


As of last night (monday), Wyandanch is still 1st 6 cars only in both directions. The original platform is still being rehabbed on the west end, there are still missing fence sections
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby berlintransit » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:18 am

Hey everyone,

http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/180723_0930_LIRR.pdf LIRR Committee Meeting July 2018 - p.46 - 49

Construction Schedule
* Weekend outages Farmingdale - Ronkonkoma on August 4-5, August 11-12, August 18-19 & August 25-26
* August 6-10 second track Deer Park - Brentwood out of service, single tracking Farmingdale - Central Islip, it seems Central Islip - Ronkonkoma will already be used in double track configuration in this time
* during weekdays until August 4 and from August 13, special schedules for single tracking within Central Islip are in place

September 4 timetable change: completion of the Main Line Second Track Project Farmingdale - Ronkonkoma
* Train 2300, the 6:07 AM Reverse Peak train from Penn Station to Farmingdale, will be extended to Ronkonkoma, arr. 7:30 AM, with new connection to Train 202 to Greenport
* Train 2351, the 6:25 PM Reverse Peak train from Farmingdale to Penn Station (arriving 7:22 PM), will be extended to originate at Ronkonkoma at 5:57 PM
* Train 2355, the 7:00 PM Reverse Peak train from Farmingdale to Penn Station (arriving 7:56 PM), will be extended to originate at Ronkonkoma at 6:36 PM, making connections from Train 253 from Yaphank
* Train 2008, the 7:39 AM train from Penn Station to Ronkonkoma, will add stops at Bethpage and Wyandanch
* Train 2061, the 4:48 PM train from Ronkonkoma to Penn Station, will add stops at Brentwood and Wyandanch
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:19 pm

This is the perfect example (along with the elevation of the Babylon Branch) of the magnitude of a project that back in the day would take over half a decade to complete, yet only to be completed ahead of schedule. It shows off how far railroad technology and railroad construction has improved since the latter half of the 20th Century.

To think that all of this began in August 2015 and the track laying didn't really begin until 2017. Then we begin to lay the second track West of Central Islip to Farmingdale in the matter of just a few weeks, thanks to a fancy piece of a equipment known as a NTC. What really got me was how fast they were able to install the third rail, or how much work they could get done in a weekend. I've got a lot to say about how ecstatic I am keeping up with this project since they announced it. The branch had only been electrified for a little less than 3 years when I was born, and now just a month and a half short of my 28th birthday the Ronkonkoma Branch will join the Babylon and the electrified area of the Port Jefferson/Huntington Branch to make all three major and busiest (aside from Port Washington) East-West branches to be double-tracked.

I can't wait until October when I go out there, I'll be purchasing several cameras to take photos, and to go along with it that's when I'll be visiting the Amityville Historical Society to pick up photos to add to the forum!
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby Head-end View » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:13 pm

MattAmity90, good post re: the speed of this project re: the improved track laying technology, and the historical significance of the project itself. Now here's a question for you: Given all the grade crossing accidents that are going to continue happening in the coming years, how many years do you think it will be until the MTA/LIRR decides to elevate the section thru the Brentwood/Central Islip area and build an over/underpass at Wyandanch. Really too bad they couldn't have done that stuff as part of the current project.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby adamj023 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:46 pm

Head-end View wrote:MattAmity90, good post re: the speed of this project re: the improved track laying technology, and the historical significance of the project itself. Now here's a question for you: Given all the grade crossing accidents that are going to continue happening in the coming years, how many years do you think it will be until the MTA/LIRR decides to elevate the section thru the Brentwood/Central Islip area and build an over/underpass at Wyandanch. Really too bad they couldn't have done that stuff as part of the current project.


The elimination of grade crossings on the mainline itself will take forever which were scheduled for removal. I don’t know if it ever will be done for Suffolk County or if there is huge demand for it.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:21 am

Head-end View wrote:MattAmity90, good post re: the speed of this project re: the improved track laying technology, and the historical significance of the project itself. Now here's a question for you: Given all the grade crossing accidents that are going to continue happening in the coming years, how many years do you think it will be until the MTA/LIRR decides to elevate the section thru the Brentwood/Central Islip area and build an over/underpass at Wyandanch. Really too bad they couldn't have done that stuff as part of the current project.


Well, the grade crossing accidents on the Babylon Branch didn't increase until the 1960's when the MP72-MP75 cars were in service and then eventually in 1968-1969 as shipment after shipment of the 770 M1-cars came in. Most of the time it was just inconvenience, but when the M1's came out there were still 22 grade crossings between Babylon and Freeport. Most were well protected, but a few stood out such as Babylon Turnpike, all 5 Bellmore crossings, essentially all 3 Massapequa Park crossings especially Unqua Road, John Street and Rt. 110 in Amityville (thank you Amityville Historical), Little East Neck Road in Copiague, and one of the crossings in Lindenhurst I believe was hazardous.

The Ronkonkoma Branch is going to be just like the Babylon Branch before 1980, before 1968, essentially when my Mom was in elementary school and my late maternal grandfather took the train to Penn Station from Bellmore. He along with my maternal grandmother are interred at St. Charles, about a mile South of the ROW. The only way I see a reduction in grade crossing accidents is to convert them into four-quadrant gated crossings (like Little Neck Parkway). South Oyster Road, Stewart Avenue, Wellwood, Little East Neck, Straight Path, Commack Road, Executive Drive, Wicks, Carleton, Lowell, and finally Ocean and Pond are going to be mentioned in the newspapers. Two trains in each direction every hour/half-hourly service (Babylon's level of service), all I can say is don't even think about going around the gates! The train will always win, the train is a foot while the car is a soda can. All of us on this forum know how to drive, walk, bike, and in any other way negotiate a grade crossing, and hopefully drivers do the same.
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