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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby tj48 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:49 pm

Crossed over the Carl's Path crossing today. East of the crossing just slightly past where the old Pinter Brothers switch was there is now a segment of track (couldn't tell how long) that has been laid on the south side of the new roadbed but using what looks like wooden ties not concrete.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:46 pm

Well with the outages on the September 9-10th and September 16-17th weekends, I'm guessing more second track will be laid by the NTC and I know they will be converting probably Islip Avenue/Rt. 111 into a 2-track crossing. Second track will probably be laid for the rest of the stretch from the N Peter's Blvd. crossing all the way to BRENT Interlocking. They have two crossover switches installed so that will most likely have the second track connected on the South side and have the ballast put in.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby LB » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:46 am

Are there plans to place the Ronkonkoma to Central Islip section in service anytime soon (Governor Cuomo declared the segment complete about a year ago), or will they wait until the entire project (Farmingdale to Ronkonkoma) is complete to implement service? As for signaling, do they plan to convert to the 3 color system or maintain position lights? Was capacity added at the sub-stations for the additional power required by a second track?
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby berlintransit » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:09 am

The signalling equipment contract for the complete Farmingdale - Ronkonkoma stretch was awarded just a couple of months ago or at least substantially later than all other works for Phase I. Therefore, I doubt Central Islip - Ronkonkoma will see 2 track operation that much earlier than the rest of the project. Cf. MTA LIRR board materials from this and last year
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby tj48 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:48 pm

Good size LIRR MOW crew working on the Straight Path crossing today. Crew was working on the existing track. Crossing plates were removed and what looked like a very large tie tamper was working the crossing. further back by the 18th st. crossing on the siding were 2 other pieces of track equipment. No sign of work yet on begining a second crossing track.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:35 pm

It's only the beginning of this kind of work because next weekend will also be an outage. From what I heard they are rehabilitating some grade crossings which means converting them into 2-track crossings like Islip Avenue, and Straight Path from what I'm hearing. After next weekend's outage, I'm guessing the next one would be the same weekend as the outage to replace the Post Avenue bridge?
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby tj48 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:09 pm

Very late Friday night I caught 3 MP-15's (2 up front, 1 behind) slowly hauling a long welded rail train up the grade between Wyandanch and Deer Park.
This morning on my way to work I saw a LIRR MOW crew was laying a set of welded rail up the grade from Wyandanch to the Deer Park Ave overpass. The rail train lead the way followed closely by a LIRR Little Giant crane on its rail wheels and a rather large equipment truck on its also on its rail wheels.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby Amtrak7 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:10 pm

No, Post Avenue work will take up all the busing capacity the railroad can muster, and the Main Line will be open east of Hicksville.

Surprised nobody has brought this up yet: a good description of the work is in the press release announcing these two weekend outages.

http://www.mta.info/press-release/lirr/ ... vice-buses
The LIRR will perform track work and crossing renewal from 11:59 p.m. on Sept. 8 to 4 a.m. on Sept. 11, along with switch installation work to be done between Carl’s Path Road and Commack Road in Deer Park. On Saturday, Sept. 9, signal equipment will be relocated at Straight Path and 18th Street, during which periodic single-lane closures may be implemented while equipment is moved, to be completed by 4 p.m. LIRR crews will continue to test signal equipment at these two crossings through Sunday, Sept. 10; while crossing gates may be activated sporadically during this time, no traffic detours will be required for that leg of the work.

From 11:59 p.m. on Friday, Sept. 15 through the late afternoon on Sunday, Sept. 17, workers will install a new switch west of the Deer Park Station, the first of two switches to be installed on the Main Line to create a new universal interlocking in Deer Park. This work, being done in an industrial area 2,000 feet east of the Commack Road grade crossing north of the Tanger Outlet parking lot, will not impact any roadways. More work will be done from around 8 a.m. Saturday, Sept. 16, to be completed by that afternoon, to relocate an existing signal grade crossing hut at Little East Neck Road to the north side of the tracks to make room for the new second track to be on the south side of the existing line. Tests will be performed on the grade crossing equipment at Little East Neck Road through Sunday, Sept. 17. MTA Police will be at the scene to guide traffic for possible single-lane road closures while the hut is lifted to the north side.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby hrfcarl » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:52 pm

tj48 wrote:Crossed over the Carl's Path crossing today. East of the crossing just slightly past where the old Pinter Brothers switch was there is now a segment of track (couldn't tell how long) that has been laid on the south side of the new roadbed but using what looks like wooden ties not concrete.


Not only that, it looks like a section of the pavement in that siding is being torn up: are they going to remove the current siding switch just west of Commack Road (at PC Richards, forget the name of this siding) for a new one to this siding east of Carll's Path instead? If correct, is there a future plan to eliminate the crossing at Commack Road?
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:50 pm

Carll's Path and Commack Road will NOT be eliminated, and the railroad track you see with wooden ties is an old siding that will be torn out of the ground. It was double-tracked at the old Deer Park station and they ripped the non-electrified track out. They will renew the crossing plates and add the second track sometime in the future. The interlockings that will be replaced or constructed is as follows:

1.) KO will be reconfigured and modernized.
2.) CI 1 will be razed.
3.) CI 2 will be razed.
4.) The new CI interlocking is being constructed between the Peter's Blvd. and Islip Avenue grade crossings which will be crossover.
5.) BRENT will be razed.
6.) JS will be converted from a single switch to a crossover interlocking.
7.) A new interlocking is said to be constructed within the vicinity of Wyandanch.
8.) FARM 2 will be converted to a crossover near New Hwy.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby milepost39 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:47 am

"Carll's Path and Commack Road will NOT be eliminated, and the railroad track you see with wooden ties is an old siding that will be torn out of the ground."

I go over the Carl's crossing twice a day, and today while behind a school bus took a good look. That track IS OUT of the ground and intact. It looks like someone laid a piece of HO flex track down waiting to nail it in to the roadbed. :-)

If it is being scrapped, why not do so when they ripped the non-electrified track out? It appears it will be put back in. I've been stuck at the Commack Rd Xing when that switch just west behind PC Richards was being switched by NY&A. Even at 11:00 PM the traffic backed up quickly. I've seen YT video of it being switched during the day. I can't imagine what that did to traffic. If they are now allowing access from the west where there is more room that would make sense.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby tj48 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:47 pm

milepost39 wrote:"Carll's Path and Commack Road will NOT be eliminated, and the railroad track you see with wooden ties is an old siding that will be torn out of the ground."

I go over the Carl's crossing twice a day, and today while behind a school bus took a good look. That track IS OUT of the ground and intact. It looks like someone laid a piece of HO flex track down waiting to nail it in to the roadbed. :-)

If it is being scrapped, why not do so when they ripped the non-electrified track out? It appears it will be put back in.


Thats what I was thinking.......
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby Backshophoss » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:05 pm

Any DEF trackage that will wind up as the 2nd main needs to have the subgrade and grade level upgraded to main line specs,
in some cases fill added or removed as needed to reach the mainline specs for the 2nd main.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby MattAmity90 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:29 am

Was just looking at Edward Hand's newest batch of photos, and he took snapshots at BRENT, JS, the Old Deer Park, from pedestrian bridges in Wyandanch, the station itself, all the way to Wellwood Avenue. As far as I can tell the work done was the following:

1.) All remaining ballast that was old has been cleared.
2.) The welded rail train laid new railing all along that stretch of branch.
3.) Not sure if Carll's Path was already a 2-track crossing?
4.) Signal boxes at Straight Path, 18th St, and Little East Neck Road have been moved. Straight Path's box is now located next to the station platform on the North side of the crossing adjacent to the ticket office.
5.) New wooden poles have been erected for circuitry for new signals and communications lines.
6.) Nothing new on the new interlocking being constructed in between Islip Avenue and Peter's Blvd.

There were several welded rail cars, and sperry-rail inspection cars to go along with it. It is getting to that point where Phase II is well underway where they are just about to break out the NTC for that section, and Phase I just needs to have the third rail, and both ends of the new track connected to existing track. Although Phase I calls for reconfiguration and modernization of KO Interlocking.
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Re: MTA LIRR Double Track Project - Ronkonkoma to Farmingdal

Postby tj48 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:18 pm

The welded rail train was active again Saturday. Caught it just west of the 18th st crossing in Wyandanch during the afternoon and again late Saturday evening backing down the grade between the Deer Park Ave overpass and Wyandanch station. It was set up the same as the last time I saw it. 1 MP15ac on the west end of the train. 2 MP15ac's on the east end. Also saw contractors erecting the wooden poles on the south side of new ROW.
Matt, Carll's Path crossing was a 2 track crossing.
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