Pink line: Trapped in a gap...

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Pink line: Trapped in a gap...

Postby doepack » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:05 am

All four cars of a Pink line train entering the Loop temporarily loses contact with the third rail. Doesn't happen too often, and can be a messy situation depending on the circumstances. But this one looked fairly tame as nearby CTA employees came to the rescue...
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Re: Pink line: Trapped in a gap...

Postby justalurker66 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:40 pm

Can I borrow a jumper cable? Mind the gap ...
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Re: Pink line: Trapped in a gap...

Postby spRocket » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:34 pm

That's the first time I've seen a stinger in use. Even though it's designed for that very purpose, it still looks scary as hell.

I'm not too keen on the workers stepping on railheads, though.
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Re: Pink (Douglas) line: Trapped in a gap...

Postby MACTRAXX » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:31 pm

Everyone:

Good video showing the proper use of the "stinger" cables to start up a train that has "gapped out"
first by putting one half of the stinger on the third rail shoe on the head truck and then the other
half on the live third rail on the nearby curve to get power back to the train. The train operator
moves the controller forward just enough for the train to roll onto contact with live third rail.

I also noticed that the two CTA employees were both careful with the arcs that result from the
stinger and they knew to turn away and not look directly at the flashes. Safety glasses could
offer added eye protection if it is necessary.

The parking garage at the SE corner of Lake and Wells Streets overlooking Tower 18 offers a good
view of CTA Loop L activity especially at busy times where it is constant...MACTRAXX
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Re: Pink line: Trapped in a gap...

Postby Tadman » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:39 am

spRocket wrote:
I'm not too keen on the workers stepping on railheads, though.


That messes with me, too. Especially on a wet day, up high, with hot rail nearby. No thanks.

Now what's really crazy, most countries (Germany and Austria for example) they step all over the railhead and they don't wear safety shoes. A few years back, I was waiting for a train in Innsbruck. A freight came through for a crew change. Dude walks out of a crew room in Chuck Taylors with no socks, scampers across the tracks all over the railheads, and climbs in. I about fell over. I figured in Germany, they'd have to get permission from the President of the railroad to do that.
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Re: Pink line: Trapped in a gap...

Postby ExCon90 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:31 pm

Happens all the time there--with Sandals! Been going on for years. (Maybe they're issued safety socks?)
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Re: Pink line: Trapped in a gap...

Postby Nasadowsk » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:58 pm

spRocket wrote:That's the first time I've seen a stinger in use. Even though it's designed for that very purpose, it still looks scary as hell.


The Long Island, back in the DD-1 days, used them to bump locomotives onto the third rail.

Some of the UK training videos of recent years show shorting out the third rail in an emergency...

I'm amazed in this case they didn't just have the next train bump them to power. It's not like it's a long wait, and it's probably safer.
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Re: Pink line: Trapped in a gap...

Postby doepack » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:46 am

Nasadowsk wrote:I'm amazed in this case they didn't just have the next train bump them to power. It's not like it's a long wait, and it's probably safer.


Agreed. Which reminds me of a time I saw this as a kid once on the Pink line (was called the Douglas "B" at the time) after a train stalled out at the Kostner grade crossing, tying up traffic on a hot summer day for at least 10 minutes while the gates stayed down as I looked on in wonder. Its follower eventually came up from behind and nudged it ever so gently onto the other side where it picked up power once again. This was during the era of 2-car off peak service, of course.

It would be several more years until I learned that stingers weren't only associated with bees...
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Re: Pink line: Trapped in a gap...

Postby justalurker66 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:10 pm

It was probably easier to get the stinger out than to deal with modern day safety rules to allow one train to come into contact with another train. Especially within interlocking limits.
Sure, it would make sense to simply "bump" the train to get it started.
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Re: Pink line: Trapped in a gap...

Postby orangeline » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:10 am

I watched the video and was fascinated by it. I'm assuming there were CTA maintenance employees nearby who could do that particular job. But suppose there's no one around and a train gaps out. The operator can't get out of the cab to do it as he or she is the only crewmember on board. I guess that's when a following train would nudge the stalled one forward? I also assume that even though there's no power being received from the third rail radio communications are still possible?

I recall when I lived in NYC area I sometimes was on a subway train where the whole car would go dark (no lights, fans, ac, etc) when the third rail shoe wasn't in contact with its rail. That was back in the 1960's - early 1980's when things were more primitive.
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