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Re: Metrolink to place locos in front of Rotem cab cars for

Postby Backshophoss » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:46 pm

Unless Metrolink added a Comm MU line to the AC-44's,there's no interlock except on the F59 or MP36 units.
A conductor opening a door leaf on local panel control,will not trip the interlock.
Engineer looking back at the consist will look at the status lights on the car sides are green meaning doors are closed.
Conductor will tell the engineer "ok to go" via a portable radio.
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Re: Metrolink to place locos in front of Rotem cab cars for

Postby Tadman » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:23 pm

So I spent some time at LAUPT yesterday. About 1/5 trains had the sooper-safety locomotive in place of the cab car. Too bad they're all in Great Northern orange rather than warbonnet red/silver, would be cool to see such regularly in/out of that station.
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Re: Metrolink to place locos in front of Rotem cab cars for

Postby Fan Railer » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:10 pm

I don't think any of the AC44s were ever in the Warbonnet livery.
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Re: Metrolink to place locos in front of Rotem cab cars for

Postby Backshophoss » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:32 pm

Believe they are "Heritage I" scheme units.
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Re: Metrolink to place locos in front of Rotem cab cars for

Postby Fan Railer » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:52 pm

Here's a compiled list of 30 confirmed locomotives of the 40 total, with the asterisks indicating locomotives spotted on property but not yet in service as of a few weeks ago:
5603*
5609*
5610
5613
5615*
5616*
5617*
5619*
5620
5621
5622
5624
5626*
5627
5631*
5633
5635*
5640*
5641
5642
5644
5649
5650
5654*
5655
5658
5662*
5668
5696*
5704*
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Re: Metrolink to place locos in front of Rotem cab cars for

Postby jt42cwr » Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:42 pm

Only 8 GE's reportedly sighted during Thursdays AM rush at Los Angeles Union station compared to at least 15 the previous Thursday. Is there any reasoning behind the reduction, like the cab cars having been modified already?
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Re: Metrolink to place locos in front of Rotem cab cars for

Postby NorthWest » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:31 pm

There are a bunch of them out in a yard close to LAUPT, along with a former GO F59PH.

It seems like they were only being used on San Berdardino trains, so maybe it is only the faster lines? Many trains have just the cab car.
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Re: Metrolink to place locos in front of Rotem cab cars for

Postby Fan Railer » Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:19 am

Add 5634 to the list of locos in revenue.
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Re: Metrolink to place locos in front of Rotem cab cars for

Postby Silverliner II » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:49 pm

Fan Railer wrote:It's a reasonable reaction, considering the ScRotems were TOUTED to the moon and back again for having the most up to date, revolutionary crash energy management tech, but then basically fared no better than a regular cab car in their first accident. Its performance thus far in that type of situation has called into question the huge capital investment that was expended to procure them.


Unforseen defects, perhaps. Coupled with the possibility of a crash where physics played a role not accounted for?

It's just like one of the recent oil train derailments, involving the "stronger" tank cars (not the DOT 111's, but the CPC's that were touted as much more crash-resistant), some of which were breached and spilled oil or burned anyway. If a train hits anything that is big enough... or forces go in ways unforeseen by designers... it is going to derail. Even with a locomotive leading. There is always the possibility that had one of the BNSF's been leading the ill-fated train, the end results could possibly have remained the same.

But, do the "knee-jerk, make the public think we are doing something about" it response.... it pleases the sheep.
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Re: Metrolink to place locos in front of Rotem cab cars for

Postby Fan Railer » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:28 pm

Add 5696 to the list of in-revenue locomotives.
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Re: Metrolink to place locos in front of Rotem cab cars for

Postby Backshophoss » Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:33 pm

SL II,believe the "Mythbusters" proved if a tank car was hit and was dented,it could collaspe if a vacuum was
applied to the tank(due to the contents leaking out).
At the Oxnard wreck, the Rotem Cab car and the trailing BBD coach were on their sides,and somewhat crosswise to the track.
Suspect if a loco pilot plow had hit that F-350 truck and trailer,would have been pushed aside totaled out.
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Re: Metrolink to place locos in front of Rotem cab cars for

Postby jt42cwr » Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:36 am

Here is the latest list, which consists of 39 locomotives spotted on the property, of which 25(*) have already seen service: -

5603
5609
5610*
5613*
5615
5616
5617
5619*
5620*
5621*
5622*
5624*
5626*
5627*
5628
5629*
5631
5633*
5634*
5635
5636
5638
5640
5641*
5642*
5643*
5644*
5647*
5648*
5649*
5650*
5654
5655*
5656*
5658*
5662
5668*
5696*
5704
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Re: Metrolink to place locos in front of Rotem cab cars for

Postby Silverliner II » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:29 am

Backshophoss wrote:At the Oxnard wreck, the Rotem Cab car and the trailing BBD coach were on their sides,and somewhat crosswise to the track. Suspect if a loco pilot plow had hit that F-350 truck and trailer,would have been pushed aside totaled out.

Most would say most likely, as long as nothing unexpected got jammed up underneath it in the process to put a wrinkle in things. I hope we never have to find out, that's for sure.
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Re: Metrolink to place locos in front of Rotem cab cars for

Postby kaitoku » Sun May 01, 2016 9:45 am

In October, Metrolink officials signed an $18-million-a-year lease with Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway Co. for 40 freight engines. They hoped to put the locomotives into operation within weeks of their delivery.

Since then, most of the powerful freight engines have sat idle in Metrolink yards at a cost of $500 each per day, and many passengers still ride in the Hyundai cab cars.

"Safety concerns shaped the Burlington Northern Santa Fe locomotive lease," said Art Leahy, the commuter line's chief executive. "But implementation has been difficult. Safety has been increased but not as much as expected."


http://www.latimes.com/local/california ... story.html
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Re: Metrolink to place locos in front of Rotem cab cars for

Postby Silverliner II » Wed May 04, 2016 2:21 am

And through all of this, not a peep on repairing the flaws that were found with the cab cars.... or how long those repairs will take....
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