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EMD F3 demonstrator units

Postby Slobo » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:46 am

I am interested in the history of #291 (A-B-B-A) and #754 F3 (A-B-A) demonstrator sets. How long did these sets do their thing before being sold off? Which railroads tested them (by unit # preferably) and did 291 aver get split into A-B, A-B-A or A-B-B sets before sell-off?

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Postby mxdata » Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:47 am

They broke them up in various combinations regularly, including use of single "A" units in passenger service demonstrations.

I have never seen any listings of all the individual operations, but probably some of the demonstrations were the subject of magazine articles and EMD advertising in that time period. The demonstration runs may also have been mentioned in some of the mid-1940s sales brochures.
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Postby SSW9389 » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:14 am

There is a twist to the story of these six units. Yes only six units, not seven. F3A demonstrator 291A1 was sold as TP&W 100A, F3A demonstrator 291A2 was destroyed in a wreck, F3B demonstrator 291B1 was sold as TP&W 100B, and F3B demonstrator 291B2 was renumbered to 754B1 before being sold to Monon as the 65C.

F3A demonstrator 754A1 was sold to Monon 85A and F3A demonstrator 754A2 was sold as Monon 85B.

There was another F3A demonstrator the 951 which was sold as KCS 59A.

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Postby SSW9389 » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:31 am

TP&W acquired its F3AB demo pair on December 10, 1946. From Extra 2200 South issue #46 TP&W roster.

Still looking for the Monon data, suspect sometime in 1947 that the demonstrators were acquired, but it could have been a bit later. Any Monon fans out there please chime in. :wink:
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Postby mxdata » Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:53 pm

If I remember correctly there was a story on the wreck of demonstrator 291A2 in the EMD "Field Service News" (an internal Service Department publication) shortly after it happened. I recall it mentioning that one of the Field Instructors was riding the units at the time.
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Postby wolfeden » Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:48 pm

Here is a Monon list from the society website.



1A F3A 1500 101 EMD 12/46 Re# 64A (II) only f/'47-48.
51B F3A 1500 110 EMD 12/46 Re# 64B in '47.
52A F3A 1500 111 EMD 12/46 Re# 65A in '47. Scrapped before '71
52B F3A 1500 112 EMD 12/46 Re# 65B in '47. Scrapped before '71
61A F3A 1500 103 EMD 12/46 Traded to ALCO in '66.
61B F3A 1500 104 EMD 12/46
62A F3A 1500 105 EMD 12/46
62B(I) F3A 1500 EMD 1/47 Wrecked @ Ash Grove 6/3/47.
62B(III)F3A 1500 106 EMD 3/48
63A F3A 1500 107 EMD 1/47
63B F3A 1500 108 EMD 1/47
64A(I) F3A 1500 EMD 1/47 Wrecked @ Ash Grove 6/3/47.
64A(III)F3A 1500 109 EMD 3/48 Traded to Alco in '66
64B(I) F3A 1500 102 EMD 1/47 Re# 62B '46; 51B '48.
81A F3A 1500 201 EMD 5/47
81B F3A 1500 202 EMD 5/47
82A F3A 1500 203 EMD 5/47 Traded in by LN.
82B F3A 1500 204 EMD 5/47 Re# 85 for 1947 only. Traded by LN.
83A F3A 1500 205 EMD 5/47
83B F3A 1500 206 EMD 5/47
84A F3A 1500 207 EMD 5/47 Traded in by LN.
84B F3A 1500 208 EMD 5/47 Traded to Alco '66. Sold to LN 805!
61C F3B 1500 301 EMD 12/46
62C F3B 1500 302 EMD 12/46
63C F3B 1500 303 EMD 1/47
64C(I) F3B 1500 EMD 1/47 Wrecked @ Ash Grove 6/3/47.
64C(II) F3B 1500 304 EMD 10/47
85A F2A 1500 209 EMD 9/46 EX-EMD 754A1
85B F2A 1500 210 EMD 9/46 EX-EMD 754A2 traded to ALCO in '66
65C F2B 1500 305 EMD 7/45 EX-EMD 754B1
51A&B EMD F3A Blt 1946 (later #101-2)
61A&B-
65A&B EMD F3A Blt 1946-47 (later #103-112)
61C-64C EMD F3B Blt 1946-47 (later #301-304)
65C EMD F3B Blt 1945 for EMD (later #305)
81A&B-
84A&B EMD F3A Blt 1947 (steam generators, later 201-8)
85A&B EMD F3A Blt 1946 for EMD (steam gen, later 209-10)

Hope this sheds some lite. I learned a few things here myself.

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Re: EMD F3 demonstrator units

Postby Eric.B » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:08 pm

The 291 was in fact, in a head on collision with a Chicago Great Western 2-10-2. The
EMD sales Rep. On board at the time, was my grandfather. I have a few B & W photos of the wreck.
Knowing Grandpa, I'm sure that the story has been somewhat glamorized, but Grandpa saw the
oncomming loco, and instructed the engine crew to get behind the F-3's main generator, figuring
that to be the safest place. I understand that no one was seriously injured. This is quite suprising,
After looking at the photos. I have the 291's Bell, slightly bent up. Please let me know if anyone has
a copy of the EMD news that mentions the wreck. I would be very interested in purchasing.
Grandpa had many interesting EMD stories, like the time he met Frank Sinatra and Pat O'Brian in
the Zephyr club car, while demo-ing new E units.
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Re: EMD F3 demonstrator units

Postby SSW9389 » Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:20 pm

The 291 was demonstrating on the GM&O in mid February 1946. It was directly in competition with the Alco-GE FA-1 FB-1 FA-1 set that was also on GM&O.
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Re: EMD F3 demonstrator units

Postby SSW9389 » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:23 am

Does anyone have additional information on the when and where the F3 demonstrators tested for EMD? The is some information in the Preston Cook F unit issue of Classic Trains.
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