VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby R36 Combine Coach » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:13 am

jp1822 wrote:Remote service trains are slowly being discontinued.
That leaves the Sudbury-White River line. Is the RDC operation safe for now?
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby Ken V » Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:56 am

The Sudbury - White River train should be safe for now since it operates over the CPR transcontinental mainline. The suspended services all operated on short lines and were cut due to unsafe track conditions. There have been rumours that the RDCs could be replaced by a conventional locomotive and coaches so that the RDCs could be freed for use in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.

There is also a remote service in northern Quebec between Montreal and Jonquiere/Senneterre that should also be safe. These run on CN secondary mains which are in decent condition.
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby CHTT1 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:29 am

I don't think there is a policy to do away with the remote trains. What happened in British Columbia and Gaspe is that the short line freight railroad the train operated on failed due to a lack of business. There have been attempts to revive both lines, but so far without success. VIA isn't going to pay the full cost of operating these railroads, so no passenger trains.
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby electricron » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:10 pm

CHTT1 wrote:I don't think there is a policy to do away with the remote trains. What happened in British Columbia and Gaspe is that the short line freáeight railroad the train operated on failed due to a lack of business. There have been attempts to revive both lines, but so far without success. VIA isn't going to pay the full cost of operating these railroads, so no passenger trains.

Which appears to be the same failure scenario with the line to Churchill, a lack of freight (goods) business to keep it open.
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:50 pm

One could say that the community of Churchill is landlocked. They have no rail access, they have no highways, air costs "too much" for the populace, the maritime port is a "fizzle".

What on earth has the community to offer?

If wealthy Polar Bear hunters/watchers whatever want to go up there, pay what they must to fly in and what they must for lodging and their guides. Otherwise, the place is bust.

But something tells me the "Libby gang" holding power in Ottawa "don't exactly" see things that way.

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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby NS VIA FAN » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:32 am

Churchill is no different than any other town across the north. Even if shipping from the port is gone....it is still a service community and requires access from the surrounding areas. It is expensive to live there but just the way of life in the north and if the Government has to subsidize travel and living expenses....so be it!

Iqaluit (pop 6,700)....

https://www.city.iqaluit.nu.ca/visitors/explore-iqaluit

.......is the capital city of Nunavut. It has no road or rail access. Just marine..... and a big new airport terminal:

http://www.nunatsiaqonline.ca/stories/a ... beautiful/

And for the ‘Airfan’ out there.....this is the airport (formerly Frobisher Bay) where Airbus comes to do there cold weather testing (including the A380)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0QY6CbIXhw

Look at these airline route maps and the only way in/out for most is by air (Some do have marine access for short periods)

http://www.canadiannorth.com/sites/defa ... 3AUG17.pdf

https://firstair.ca/book/routemap/

I travel for work to a community along the Labrador coast and it is farther south than Churchill. Again, the only way in and out is by air or coastal boat (which was once operated by CN)

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopi ... #p13121781
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby R36 Combine Coach » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:57 am

CHTT1 wrote:I don't think there is a policy to do away with the remote trains. What happened in British Columbia and Gaspe is that the short line freight railroad the train operated on failed due to a lack of business. There have been attempts to revive both lines, but so far without success. VIA isn't going to pay the full cost of operating these railroads, so no passenger trains.

At the 2013 VIA annual meeting, Vancouver Island local service was brought up at the public comment session (see question #31). VIA stated "We stated that we would resume service as soon as the track was brought back to safe operating standards and that is still our intent". Is this policy statement still the case five years later?
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby renf » Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:46 pm

With global warming, will the port of Churchill eventually become a busy gateway for world wide shipping?
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby mtuandrew » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:55 pm

renf wrote:With global warming, will the port of Churchill eventually become a busy gateway for world wide shipping?

Not without a functional railroad! (Or a highway, or suitable land for development. Tough to build on soggy muskeg.) I’m still looking for most Canadian overseas-bound grain to go via Thunder Bay, Duluth, Vancouver, or Prince Rupert, even with higher seas.
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Re: VIA Train to Churchill Suspended Indefinitely

Postby mdvle » Fri May 04, 2018 2:37 pm

Possible movement in a new group buy the railway and getting it operating again

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/churchill-railway-buyers-manitoba-first-nations-1.4648133
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