Utica Branch Discussion Thread

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Postby JoeCollege » Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:59 pm

johnpbarlow wrote:
JoeCollege wrote:
lvrr325 wrote:I'm somewhat surprised they're not running a handful of cars down to Binghamton themselves, although with the engine facility gone there's no need to move power in and out anymore.


I'd think some customers in Utica would have demanded as much, maybe seeking competitive rates from NS connection rather than go CSX to Syracuse and down. And there was speculation that maybe CSX changes would eliminate Utica interchange. Neither seems to have happened, and NYSW has shown little interest from what I can tell in capturing any traffic south of Sangerfield- the old Baillie's traffic that was transloaded at Sherburne now goes container on trucks to Jersey or DeWitt from what I heard.


Is the CSX-NYSW car exchange at Utica an interchange between the two RRs or does NYSW have haulage rights over CSX between Syracuse and Utica? Much earlier in this lengthy thread, someone said CSX-NYSW interchange was at Syracuse and prior to the 2006 embargo of the Utica line, CSX traffic for NYSW customers at Utica was routed Syracuse-Binghamton-Utica. So if Syracuse-Utica via CSX is a haulage agreement, NYSW's Utica customers could theoretically negotiate a Utica-Syracuse-Binghamton to/from NS shipping arrangement today without using the Utica branch.


My understanding is that Utica is an interchange point only.
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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Postby lvrr325 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:07 am

It is correct that part of the changes after making Syracuse an interchange was all interchange was done there, and they did make some kind of haulage agreement after the line went out of service. The last trip the F45 made was on one of those trains, I happened to see it one night at a crossing in Oneida. What is current on that, no idea.

I want to say that after the move to Syracuse, Conrail made some changes in Utica including eliminating a remote interlocking and the connection to the NYS&W became a hand throw.

But my thought is being able to go to Binghamton opens up interchange for the traffic to go to NS. Even if it can still go there when going haulage rights to Syracuse, I would think it would save at least a day and some expense. And it makes NYS&W look better to run even an occasional train on the line.
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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Postby ut-1 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:30 pm

This is Operation Lifesaver's nationwide "Rail Safety Week." NYS&W and the Utica PD teamed-up today to further te goals of this noble program.

Here's a link to a one-minute video showing No. 3040 heading through South Utica with two officers up front:

https://youtu.be/cnVtBZt8eCI

Also, a few photos.
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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Postby ut-1 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:14 am

This video shows UT-1 performing a run-around maneuver on the new turn-around in South Utica. A bit of street running on Schuyler Street is included for good measure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLWLBi4EY58
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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Postby ut-1 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:32 am

Here are a few photos from UT-1's run to Sangerfield yesterday:

Photo 1: Southbound, Clayville, 9:02 am.

Photo 2: 20 minutes later, passing Durant Farms, Waterville.

Photo 3: A few moments later.
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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Postby ricky » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:49 am

It crying shame that line not being use south of sangerfield
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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Postby milkman » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:58 pm

ricky wrote:It crying shame that line not being use south of sangerfield



The restoration was completed a year ago and yet no trains.Go figure.
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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Postby Rail Trails Fail » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:44 pm

milkman wrote:
ricky wrote:It crying shame that line not being use south of sangerfield



The restoration was completed a year ago and yet no trains.Go figure.


At this point without major business agreements in Sherburne and Norwich in the next year or 2, the line is once again headed to a OOS status. Can't see the point in NYSW maintaining it for equipment moves every now and then.
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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Postby johnpbarlow » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:31 am

I don't how accurate and up to date NYS&W's corporate website is but their system map shows the track between Chenango Forks and Sherburne is still out of service. On October 3, 2008, NYS&W filed with the STB stating that service was discontinued on this line segment (last local service was over 5 years earlier and all through traffic has been re-routed) and, as far as I can tell, no further filing has been submitted to the STB by NYS&W to re-instate service on this line segment. So NYS&W doesn't seem that interested in merchandising the availability of the rehabbed track.

https://www.stb.gov/Filings/all_2000s.nsf/d6ef3e0bc7fe3c6085256fe1004f61cb/85257ca7006c955b852574d700636f70/$FILE/223721.PDF

Somewhat related question: for how long has NYS&W had the For Sale sign out for the Utica shops?

http://www.nysw.com/assets/Utica%20Shop%20Flyer.pdf
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