They come to Connecticut: PL-1

Guilford Rail System changed its name to Pan Am Railways in 2006. Discussion relating to the current operations of the Boston & Maine, the Maine Central, and the Springfield Terminal railroads (as well as the Delaware & Hudson while it was under Guilford control until 1988). Official site can be found here: PANAMRAILWAYS.COM.

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Re: They come to Connecticut: PL-1

Postby CannaScrews » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:39 pm

The bridge over the Naugatuck River going into Albert Brothers Recycling is having new deck timbers installed. This was the former Waterville & Watertown RR which connected with the original Naugatuck Railroad.
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Re: They come to Connecticut: PL-1

Postby Scalziand » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:35 am

The town of Naugatuck is in negotiations with Pan Am and the current owners of the old Uniroyal factory brownfield to build an intermodal yard there, reports this weeks' (9/1) Citizens News.

Borough eyes former factory site for transportation hub


By Luke Marshall
Staff Writer

NAUGATUCK — The future of Naugatuck lies in intermodal transportation. At least that is what Mayor N. Warren “Pete” Hess is banking on. Hess said the borough is working with Pan Am Railways, Inc. and “several very large national and international companies from the New England area” to create an intermodal transportation hub on an 86.5 acre parcel of land along Elm Street. An intermodal transportation hub is where goods are moved from one source of transportation, such as a train, to another transportation source, such as a tractor-trailer, before reaching their final destination.

http://thecitizensnews.ct.newsmemory.com/
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Re: They come to Connecticut: PL-1

Postby Sir Ray » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:36 pm

The article makes it sound more like a transload center than an intermodal terminal, but such articles often use imprecise/incorrect terminology.
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Re: They come to Connecticut: PL-1

Postby ccutler » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:42 pm

Seems like there's something behind the scenes at work. On the surface, the economics make no sense. Maybe this is linked to Poland Spring traffic?
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Re: They come to Connecticut: PL-1

Postby newpylong » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:57 pm

That is correct.
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Re: They come to Connecticut: PL-1

Postby johnpbarlow » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:30 am

This paragraph seems a little divorced from the reality of how rail freight is handled in metro NY...

The transportation hub would also help companies that are coming from Europe looking to ship goods north, Hess said. Currently, shipments are loaded onto trains in New York, he said.
“When you are in the New York City you have to maneuver through several sets of train lines to get out. You can’t just land in New York City, get on the train and go direct to Boston. You would have to change several trains, which means changing your cargo several times and negotiating different rates. So, from the converse, when goods come by ports to New York City or Newark, those goods would be sent by truck to Naugatuck and then would go north by train to New England or Canada,” Hess said.


So this traffic would use MN between Naugatuck and Waterbury, Pan Am Southern between Waterbury and Berlin, and Conn River line to/from E Deerfield? My understanding is the PAS line to Waterbury sees a single turn local per week (?) and IIRC the track through downtown New Britain, CT isn't in great condition so some significant track improvement might be needed between Berlin, CT and Waterbury (just like on PAR between NMJ and Lincoln, ME)? Sounds like there's a lot of heavy lifting to get this intermodal/transload service off the ground...
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Re: They come to Connecticut: PL-1

Postby J.D. Lang » Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:21 pm

So this traffic would use MN between Naugatuck and Waterbury, Pan Am Southern between Waterbury and Berlin, and Conn River line to/from E Deerfield? My understanding is the PAS line to Waterbury sees a single turn local per week (?) and IIRC the track through downtown New Britain, CT isn't in great condition so some significant track improvement might be needed between Berlin, CT and Waterbury (just like on PAR between NMJ and Lincoln, ME)? Sounds like there's a lot of heavy lifting to get this intermodal/transload service off the ground...


Not just that but the whole Uniroyal site has to be one big superfund site. It's going to cost mucho bucks just to remediate. Who is going to pay for that. It would be wonderful to see it happen though.

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Re: They come to Connecticut: PL-1

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:12 am

So...visiting my family in CT this weekend and got in some Canal Line surveying. Tracks have been freshly pulled up in a couple isolated spots of the OOS section in Southington, new since my last visit in June. . .

-- ...in front of BJ's Wholesale Club to the (paved over in 2015) Spring St. grade crossing. Unclear how far back since the weeds are tall, but rail hardware completely removed, most ties remaining but a few pulled up and tossed aside, ground pretty thoroughly churned up so work was recent.

-- ...a *few* sticks of rail lifted and tossed aside between the Aircraft Rd. and W. Queen St. grade crossings. Looks almost like one of those symbolic breaks to mark the new end-of-track, unless they're coming back in the near future to remove more.

Tracks are still fully intact behind Souithington Plaza, and from Spring St. to end of PAS ownership at the I-84 overpass...creating two decent-sized discontinuous chunks left behind. Paved-over Spring St. crossing no longer has any crossbucks signs (though the one heading eastbound towards Queen St. has been missing for years), but the fairly new late-90's vintage advance warning signs still remain...weird.


That makes end of operable track a couple car lengths beyond the W. Queen grade crossing, which makes sense given the interest A. Duie Pyle expressed 1-2 years ago in possibly building a spur across the W. Queen/Newell St. intersection. But I don't know if there's been any movement in an interim trail lease over the PAS section, as all the recent trail gap infill planning news of late has been on the CDOT/CDEEP-owned portions south of the I-84 overpass and north of Robertson Airport. PAS has long maintained they want that property off the books before they allow any infill north of I-84 (even to Spring St.), and the property definitely hasn't transacted to the state yet so it's curious that there'd be any hardware renewal (even spotty as it is).

FWIW...Pyle keeps expanding like gangbusters. Building got yet another recent renovation (mostly a cosmetic spruce-up to match their new logo/color scheme), all their New England locations have a brand-spanking-new fleet of trucks, and the trailer yard is absolutely packed with activity even on Labor Day Weekend. I haven't heard any recent rumors about that siding still being a going concern. Hasn't made the news, and it certainly would have if they were actively pursuing it because the W. Queen grade crossing would need realignment to hop across Newell into their lot with all the town hearings and whatnot that would entail. But certainly looks like Pyle's reaching a critical mass at that location, so if rail access were desired by them a couple years ago they probably have greater need for it now. At very least they're going to keep taking over still more underutilized parking lots around that Aircraft/Newell/W. Queen block as trailer storage gets tighter and tighter in the main lot.


Might do some more 'fanning today, since I haven't gotten a direct look at Plainville Yard yet. Saw PL-1 canned on the Highland near the Route 10 grade crossing behind the ex-GE/now-UHaul property for several hours Friday (maybe an overfull yard?), but otherwise a typically quiet holiday weekend for the RR in Plainville as you'd expect.
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Re: They come to Connecticut: PL-1

Postby newpylong » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:52 am

Pyle specializes in less than truckload and single truck haulage. I can't see what use they could have for rail to dock at all?
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Re: They come to Connecticut: PL-1

Postby Jedijk88 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 3:05 am

Pyle specializes in warehousing which does offer rail to truck crossdock services. Several of their warehouse sites have rail sidings. Not sure if that's the case here however.
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Re: They come to Connecticut: PL-1

Postby newpylong » Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:36 am

Yeah but they have two in Westfield already.
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Re: They come to Connecticut: PL-1

Postby Engineer Spike » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:25 pm

Maybe Pyle wants another transload/warehouse operation for central or southern Connecticut. They could have a location to serve east of Hudson/NYC. Southington might be close enough to do it, yet the real estate, and operating expense might be enough cheaper.
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Re: They come to Connecticut: PL-1

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:23 am

Engineer Spike wrote:Maybe Pyle wants another transload/warehouse operation for central or southern Connecticut. They could have a location to serve east of Hudson/NYC. Southington might be close enough to do it, yet the real estate, and operating expense might be enough cheaper.


Any which way the exact point where they lifted the rails signifies that Pyle...and not the extant siding at the ex-Pratt & Whitney plant...is the line in the sand for where PAS is maintaining the line going forward. They chose to keep maintaining two sets of active crossing protection at Birch St. (state highway) and W. Queen while chopping the crossbucks-only crossings at Aircraft Rd. and Spring St. by lifting some rail. If pure cost savings were the goal they would've done away with all 4 crossings past Amerigas to get out from the minor overhead of having to be on-call for the active crossing equipment. And they've brush-cut between Birch & Aircraft in the last few years keeping a completely clear ROW through the Quinnipiac River watershed while it's gotten decidedly overgrown and washed out behind Southington Plaza. So something more than running round a freakishly long Amerigas train is compelling them to keep a toehold on that 1700 ft. of track past the Birch crossing...but start stripping hardware and allow crossings to be paved over on the last half-mile to I-84 where 23 years have proven beyond shadow of doubt that the ex-Levitz Furniture/industrial park and Pratt & Whitney sidings are 100.00% devoid of any future prospects.

You could probably draw a line from whatever few cents it's costing them to maintain this trackage but not that trackage with the (admittedly low) odds of Pyle having some interest, and come out ahead on the side of holding out for Pyle future considerations. Granted the net-positive value here is at a microtransaction's scale visible only in an electron microscope, but crunch the numbers and they probably do see the value. Pyle's going to get negatively impacted by the decade-long (if we're lucky) "84mageddon" construction project in downtown Hartford just like every other major shipper in Central CT, and the available truck detours around that mess offer little solace when everyone will be reprogramming their GPS's to slam the same detours. The business uncertainty of how to cope in advance with that for a full decade could keep options like a local rail siding open to them. Again...a veritable microtransaction's impact on the railroad for the odds it'll actually happen, but just enough uncertainty to be worth spending a few pennies to keep the crossing protection to W. Queen active and the ROW clear + washout-free.
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Re: They come to Connecticut: PL-1

Postby gokeefe » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:50 pm

How well would this location work for bottled water via Eimskip containers?
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