Pan Am GE DASH 8 Locomotives

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Re: Pan Am GE Dash 8-40C Discussion & Sightings

Postby newpylong » Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:09 am

Well, they aren't for Maine and there is no point in making the purchase if you're going to take a HP cut over existing engines. They're buying them because they can run 2 in the place of 3 and have more HP using less fuel than the 3.
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Re: Pan Am GE DASH 8 Locomotives

Postby MEC407 » Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:42 am

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Thread title has been edited to reflect that we're no longer talking about just the six-axle Dash 8s. :-)
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Re: Pan Am GE DASH 8 Locomotives

Postby 690 » Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:26 pm

newpylong wrote:Well, they aren't for Maine


Not what I've heard.

and there is no point in making the purchase if you're going to take a HP cut over existing engines. They're buying them because they can run 2 in the place of 3 and have more HP using less fuel than the 3.


Sure there is... for the most part they don't fully utilize the 3000 HP in the GP40s either, and you're still getting quite a bit more tractive effort than you would with a GP40. 2000 HP is mostly sufficient for what the B40s will be used for, and you get more fuel savings from that as well.
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Re: Pan Am GE DASH 8 Locomotives

Postby newpylong » Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:00 pm

Why ask questions then? You seem to have it better figured out than the President of the railroad.
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Re: Pan Am GE DASH 8 Locomotives

Postby ShortlinesUSA » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:26 pm

I wonder if anyone has taken the wheel loading weight of the B40-8s into account. Those units have the highest wheel loading of any unit out there, because they are quite heavy (even heavier than some older 6-axles) and spread the weight to the rail through 8 wheels instead of 12. I have come across plenty of folks at the shortlines who have no idea that a 4-axle can be worse on track than a 6-axle locomotive. All 4-axles are not the same, to say the least. If you're dealing with tight gauge, the 4-axle is the answer, but if you're dealing with light rail or less than ideal track conditions, a heavy loading like the B40-8s introduce is bad news.
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Re: Pan Am GE DASH 8 Locomotives

Postby gokeefe » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:01 pm

It makes me wonder if the CWR being brought in is in part an answer to these concerns.
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Re: Pan Am GE DASH 8 Locomotives

Postby KSmitty » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:13 pm

gokeefe wrote:It makes me wonder if the CWR being brought in is in part an answer to these concerns.

That rail is for areas that they've done some massive tie/surfacing work too. But the rail is so shot they can't get anyone to sign off on upping to 25mph. I don't think you'll find its got anything to do with new GE's, since these lines routinely see CSX GEVO's, and rail purchases are made months in advance, which means the purchase was likely made before any deal for the GE's had been made.
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Re: Pan Am GE DASH 8 Locomotives

Postby Nick Lorusso » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:26 pm

Anyone know if these will be dipped or just run until dead?
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Re: Pan Am GE DASH 8 Locomotives

Postby Stephen » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:57 pm

Based on the notes with this photo it appears that at least one of the B40-8s has made its way east from East Deerfield.

Photo Credit to Hayden Logan:
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2017072018330125757.jpg

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Re: Pan Am GE DASH 8 Locomotives

Postby johnpbarlow » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:11 am

By all accounts I've seen, the GE-PAR lease deal seems to be a big win for Billerica (esp with GE doing maintenance). But given the prolific discussion on this forum of how little capital $ PAR management spends or has available to spend, why did GE strike this deal? Does GE regard it as low risk in that if PAR fails to live up to terms, GE will just reclaim the units? Or is there some other Pan Am asset securing the deal?
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Re: Pan Am GE DASH 8 Locomotives

Postby newpylong » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:35 am

No one is going to be able to answer those questions here...
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Re: Pan Am GE DASH 8 Locomotives

Postby EDFLD Bill » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:49 am

johnpbarlow wrote:By all accounts I've seen, the GE-PAR lease deal seems to be a big win for Billerica (esp with GE doing maintenance). But given the prolific discussion on this forum of how little capital $ PAR management spends or has available to spend, why did GE strike this deal? Does GE regard it as low risk in that if PAR fails to live up to terms, GE will just reclaim the units? Or is there some other Pan Am asset securing the deal?


Not a lease. PAR/Maine Central Railroad Company "owns" the units. They did, however, finance the purchase of all 36 of them through GE Industrial Financing Solutions, LLC. The locomotives are their own collateral. Similar to a car loan, only on a larger scale.
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Re: Pan Am GE DASH 8 Locomotives

Postby A215 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:48 pm

The rumor I heard was these locomotives were going to be scrapped if a buyer was no found. So Pan Am got a great price on them.
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Re: Pan Am GE DASH 8 Locomotives

Postby gokeefe » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:01 pm

That is one of the most believable explanations yet.
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Re: Pan Am GE DASH 8 Locomotives

Postby Stephen » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:05 pm

To follow up to my earlier post, here are images of 5948 first basing through Haverhill on EDPO and then arriving into Waterville on POWA.

In Haverhill on EDPO - Photo Credit to Austin Logan:
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=20170723235240349.jpg

Into Waterville on POWA - Photo Credit to Julian Berard:
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2017072410073229085.jpg

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