Madison Branch

Guilford Rail System changed its name to Pan Am Railways in 2006. Discussion relating to the current operations of the Boston & Maine, the Maine Central, and the Springfield Terminal railroads (as well as the Delaware & Hudson while it was under Guilford control until 1988). Official site can be found here: PANAMRAILWAYS.COM.

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Re: Madison Branch

Postby PT1101 » Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:47 pm

I received a phone call from what I consider a very reliable source. He wanted to let me know that Pan Am was in the process of removing the rails at the plant. Apparently the area will be paved so that trucks will be able to handle the traffic. While I haven't seen it for myself to confirm, I'd say the end is near for the branch.
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Re: Madison Branch

Postby Mikejf » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:28 pm

Last Train was almost a week ago. The end is now.
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Re: Madison Branch

Postby 690 » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:35 pm

Last train was this morning.
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Re: Madison Branch

Postby fogg1703 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:46 am

KSmitty wrote:So truck to Ayer and then IM out of there or truck all the way?


Im sure PAR would hope for an IM load out of Ayer, however CSX now has another chance at some Maine paper IM at Worcester. Talking about 20-30 truckloads/week maybe. Makes a good case for IM out of Waterville however.
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Re: Madison Branch

Postby CN9634 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:37 am

The original plan was intermodal out of Waterville who knows now..
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Re: Madison Branch

Postby CPF363 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:38 pm

Did the Madison mill ever receive slurry cars, or has it always been trucked in?
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Re: Madison Branch

Postby 690 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:31 pm

Not recently, if ever. Only cars were boxcars, and an occasional load of steel.
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Re: Madison Branch

Postby newpylong » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:34 am

The information on the branch is correct (I got it confirmed today), and it is embargoed. Customer is trucking product to warehouse in Waterville to transfer to rail.
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Re: Madison Branch

Postby KSmitty » Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:23 am

newpylong wrote:The information on the branch is correct (I got it confirmed today), and it is embargoed. Customer is trucking product to warehouse in Waterville to transfer to rail.

Thanks for the update!
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Re: Madison Branch

Postby newpylong » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:02 pm

I will add customer is paying more to do this obviously - and customers (possible customers) beyond the mill aren't happy about this since the line was just re-activated beyond Madison.

From the PAR side, I think it might be hard to justify rebuilding 20 miles for what they are doing now for business, but that business is so small because the track is so bad they derail nearly daily. Mill wants to do 20 cars/day, doing less than 10 now.
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Re: Madison Branch

Postby fogg1703 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:47 pm

On one hand PAR has not been shy to seek outside money to rehab trackage, however if the mill is not willing to commit to a certain number of cars then that's a large rehab project for not a lot of gain. It appears they are not interested in having close rail access for their pit in Embden and Cousineau isn't utilizing rail like they stated they were going to after the grant award, so with the mill being the only customer is it worth it? In my mind rail right now seems to be a leverage tool against trucking. Faster speeds aren't keeping the mill from shipping 20 cars/day.

With an added cost and hassle of transload, I see 100% trucking to destination in the future here.
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Re: Madison Branch

Postby fogg1703 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:55 pm

Another question. What makes this scenario different than the talked about service renewal to Bennington Paper in NH? Here we have a current customer shipping 10 cars/day on 20 miles of poor track, while at Bennington Paper miles of track must be rebuilt in order to serve an even smaller mill with no guarantee of car volumes. At least Madison has one or two potential customers already there. Might make a case for state funds if the mill squawked loud enough about loss of competitive advantage with losing rail.
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Re: Madison Branch

Postby newpylong » Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:52 am

Different scenario because PAR wanted the M&B gone.
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Re: Madison Branch

Postby fogg1703 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:09 pm

newpylong wrote:Different scenario because PAR wanted the M&B gone.


Spite is a dangerous business decision.
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Re: Madison Branch

Postby newpylong » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:43 pm

Well, that's been their core business model for 30 years and they're still around. More importantly, what is a piss ant railroad like the M&B going to do to them, even if the owner is a politician? PAR would love to pull out of NH entirely outside of the freight main.
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