West-of-Deerfield Gawking

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Re: West-of-Deerfield Gawking

Postby 690 » Mon May 16, 2016 10:46 am

How about we wait to hear the actual cause of the derailment instead of guessing?
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Re: West-of-Deerfield Gawking

Postby MEC407 » Mon May 16, 2016 11:47 am

If we wait to hear, we might wait forever. Or the publicly-released information might be very vague (e.g., "a track defect"). PAR generally releases as little info as possible, as we all know.

From a forum moderation standpoint, I'm fine with members having general discussions of possible causes, as long as they're not declaring any of those possibilities to be facts in this particular incident. Likewise, if a member has information that they've received from a reliable source and they want to share it, that's fine too... but only if they've received it directly from the source. "I heard it from a fellow railfan who heard it from another railfan who heard it from the deputy fire chief who heard it from a MoW worker" is not reliable.
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Re: West-of-Deerfield Gawking

Postby johnpbarlow » Mon May 16, 2016 12:11 pm

690 wrote:How about we wait to hear the actual cause of the derailment instead of guessing?


I think we are discussing the possibilities of what could have happened which I think is a perfectly reasonable activity for discussion forum such railroad.net. And AFAIK, the NTSB isn't on the scene to do a formal investigation. And I doubt that NS or Pan Am will issue a press release stating root cause. The only entity who is likely to ultimately know root cause is the Pan Am track maintenance and repair organization. So I think the only way we as a group will come to understand what happened is via an informal discussion of what we can see photographically, perhaps annotated by anonymous people in the know.

BTW, did I read somewhere that track geometry equipment is schedule to make a run over PAS in the next few weeks?
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Re: West-of-Deerfield Gawking

Postby johnpbarlow » Mon May 16, 2016 12:13 pm

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Re: West-of-Deerfield Gawking

Postby newpylong » Mon May 16, 2016 12:57 pm

The previous train derailed and rerailed itself they think causing damage which caused 22K's derailment. As to what that damage was, still unknown. I've seen trains derailed for long distances clip spike heads off...

There is also an MBTA crane onsite. 1 more car to get back on from the West end and they are done. Track crew leaving 402 to get started repairs.

Oh yeah and the 2nd and 3rd NS engines did derail and have decent damage, so... they knew pretty quick. Otherwise I think at 25 MPH it could have been much worse.
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Re: West-of-Deerfield Gawking

Postby jaymac » Mon May 16, 2016 1:05 pm

...and that could account for what seemed like rolled rail in some pictures.
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Re: West-of-Deerfield Gawking

Postby Mikejf » Mon May 16, 2016 2:34 pm

Thanks Newpy.
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Re: West-of-Deerfield Gawking

Postby gokeefe » Mon May 16, 2016 3:05 pm

Very much appreciated.
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Re: West-of-Deerfield Gawking

Postby johnpbarlow » Tue May 17, 2016 4:09 am

I have no proof but I'm guessing that D3 is open for business this morning? Last night a combined pair of 28N trains that had been waiting on the Tier apparently made it as far as Mechanicville and I'm hearing Yardmaster-22K crew chatter at Binghamton at this moment as well. NS did publish an intermodal service alert on its web site:

http://www.nscorp.com/content/nscorp/en/shipping-tools/shipping-news-and-alerts/pan-am-railway-derailmentupdate.html

If I understand correctly:
- 22K-13 is the train that wandered off the tracks
- 23K-14 is the train with the Erie heritage unit NS1068 that was marooned at Millers Falls
- 22K-14 was detoured over CSX between Buffalo and Worcester(?)
- 22K-15 is the train I hear puttering around Binghamton (?)

Also I don't know the status of 532 coal train which has been parked in front of the DL&W station for a couple of days or any 11R/14R trains for that matter.

Hopefully life is getting back to normal on D3!
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Re: West-of-Deerfield Gawking

Postby newpylong » Tue May 17, 2016 6:24 am

Must have a hole open they called a crew to get the 22K at Soapstone earlier.
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Re: West-of-Deerfield Gawking

Postby BostonUrbEx » Tue May 17, 2016 7:04 am

johnpbarlow wrote:- 22K-14 was detoured over CSX between Buffalo and Worcester(?)
- 22K-15 is the train I hear puttering around Binghamton (?)


You've got these backwards. There was a 22K already in to Binghamton when things shut down, so the -14 canned and -15 was rerouted.
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Re: West-of-Deerfield Gawking

Postby johnpbarlow » Tue May 17, 2016 11:35 am

BostonUrbEx wrote:
johnpbarlow wrote:- 22K-14 was detoured over CSX between Buffalo and Worcester(?)
- 22K-15 is the train I hear puttering around Binghamton (?)


You've got these backwards. There was a 22K already in to Binghamton when things shut down, so the -14 canned and -15 was rerouted.


That's why there were question marks! But the derailment occurred late Saturday afternoon (5/14/16) and 22k departs Binghamton quite regularly at dawn meaning the next Ayer intermodal 22K-14 would have been west of Buffalo at the time 22K-13 went off the rails. Plus I've read elsewhere that the 22K's (22K-14?) detour on CSX originated in Buffalo so I'm not sure what is correct here.
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Re: West-of-Deerfield Gawking

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Re: West-of-Deerfield Gawking

Postby newpylong » Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:47 am

Today is AD-1s last trip to Bennington. From now on all eastbound traffic will go via Bellows Falls. Unknown if CSX traffic will continue this way or also move over. Probably the end of AD-2.
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Re: West-of-Deerfield Gawking

Postby B&M 1227 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:49 am

uhhh april fools?!?!
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