POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

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Re: POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

Postby newpylong » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:47 am

fogg1703 wrote:Can someone refresh my memory on why the rerouted SEPO/POSE aren't handed off to CSX at Rotterdam Jct instead of W Springfield?


They're doing both.
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Re: POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

Postby fogg1703 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:01 pm

newpylong wrote:They're doing both.


Thanks. Wasn't sure if CSX's preference was to add Selkirk bound traffic at W Springfield onto the smaller 60-80 car rerouted POSE to bring it up to Boston Line standards of 90-120 cars.
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Re: POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:12 pm

fogg1703 wrote:Can someone refresh my memory on why the rerouted SEPO/POSE aren't handed off to CSX at Rotterdam Jct instead of W Springfield?


Possible that there's some arcane fine-print in the PAS partnership about which alt. routing PAR has to give NS a bigger cut of the proceeds. Since POSE/SEPO via Barbers doesn't involve PAS in any way, PAR doesn't have to share any revenue on that run with NS. Was a written concession in the PAS agreement for evening out competitive balance variables that PAR be allowed to carve out its own space for this train separate from the partnership.

Because of that, it's quite likely that there are contingencies in the agreement covering revenue splits if Barbers is knocked out-of-service and a contingency reroute is necessary. It would thus make sense that the next-nearest connection @ Conn River would be the designated reroute for POSE that lets PAR waive all or most of NS's cut during special emergency conditions such as this. Whereas any loads rerouted via Rotterdam would have to dole out NS's regular full cut as if it were a regular full-on CSX/PAS interchange.

They're using RJ too just to clear out the glut for CSX's expediency's sake, but since POSE is a train that excludes PAS involvement it behooves both PAR and CSX to route as much as possible over the shortest possible bypass ducking the greatest possible NS revenue sharing.
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Re: POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

Postby atholrail » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:32 pm

SEPO CSXT 8755-8716-4814 and 122 cars came up from Springfield this morning, made it to Lowell.

SEPO CSXT 3036-7893-3148 and 119 cars came out of RJ this morning, made it to 445.

POSE CSXT 3026-7326-651 was recrewed at Millers around 1500. Going down the Conn River to Springfield this evening.
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Re: POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

Postby whatelyrailfan » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:05 pm

POSE is passing behind my condo as I type this, VERY long train. 8:05pm
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Re: POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

Postby BM6569 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:45 am

I bet you are enjoying those moves!
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Re: POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

Postby whatelyrailfan » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:14 am

BM6569 wrote:I bet you are enjoying those moves!

To quote Mike Reno, I'm "Lovin' Every Minute of It"!! How often do the trains run, and usually days or nights?
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Re: POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

Postby BostonUrbEx » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:10 pm

whatelyrailfan wrote:How often do the trains run


Typically: every 24 hours, 6 days a week. They're supposed to leave Portland in the late night, and they'd typically arrive at Worcester in the very early morning. Since they're not arriving at Worcester, I'm not sure what time/how they're leaving Selkirk.
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Re: POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

Postby Z31SPL » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:07 pm

BostonUrbEx wrote:
whatelyrailfan wrote:How often do the trains run


Typically: every 24 hours, 6 days a week. They're supposed to leave Portland in the late night, and they'd typically arrive at Worcester in the very early morning. Since they're not arriving at Worcester, I'm not sure what time/how they're leaving Selkirk.


Typically (at least for the last 6-12 months) POSE goes by my area in Kingston, NH early in the morning like 7am and SEPO usually chugs by in the afternoon between 3-5:30pm, I have also witnessed SEPO leave Ayer 3 times in the past few months around noon so the pattern seems pretty consistent
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Re: POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

Postby newpylong » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:29 pm

Hunter Harrison's gutting of CSX is hurting this job big time. It's now down to 4 days a week when they were about to go up to daily before he took over. The trains are showing up a mess, f-ed up blocks or soup. Most days the Ayers have to go north to Portland and be sent all the way back because the train would take too long to kick them out in Ayer. Costing Pan Am much time and money. Could see a shift of some traffic move via Rotterdam to help alleviate this, we shall see.

Shippers are starting to go around Pan Am via CMQ and SLR and traffic destined to Irving is starting to go around as well. These CSX changes are having a substantial negative effect on Pan Am.

Hopefully this clown leaves before it's too late.
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Re: POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

Postby gokeefe » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:30 pm

Wow, that is quite surprising.
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Re: POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

Postby newpylong » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:20 am

What do you think happens when you make irrational decisions to cut costs like shutting nearly all hump yards down and cut hundreds of jobs across the board? Just the tip of the iceberg...
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Re: POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

Postby jaymac » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:11 am

Given how frank -- even proud -- CSX seems about its retrenchments, it would seem expectable that NS might scale back its competition-based investments, including for PAS.
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Re: POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

Postby Mandy Saxo » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:03 am

The dysfunction of modern day railroading boggles the mind.
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Re: POSE / SEPO (Portland - Selkirk trains)

Postby NRGeep » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:09 am

jaymac wrote:Given how frank -- even proud -- CSX seems about its retrenchments, it would seem expectable that NS might scale back its competition-based investments, including for PAS.


Or sensing an opening, increasing their PAS etc investments to finally have a distinct advantage over CSX. Or do the decaying CSX connections make this moot?
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