Brightline fka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:21 pm

Could the FEC be loosing it's "magic touch" up in Tallahassee?

Once upon a time, FEC was reputed to have lawmakers in their vest pocket. Their "union busting" activities during the '60's certainly suggests that.

But now with the railroad owned by one foreign entity and AAF by another, the lobbyist's booze, sreaks, and g----, just might no longer have the same effect as in years past.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Jeff Smith » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:48 am

At this point, though, with FEC/Brightline winning most if not all of the cases, it seems to me that if this law were to pass, and Governor Scott were to sign it (and I've not heard anything about his position), that Brightline would have a pretty prima facie case for a permanent injunction. Tad could certainly speak better to that, and my use of lawyer-ese. (I'm not a lawyer, but I've stayed at a Holiday Inn Express and watched plenty of Judge Judy).

On another note, I think I saw something about the Orlando leg construction starting in 2018. If true, this would belie the "commuter" argument.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby gokeefe » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:11 am

Here's the federal preemption language on state rail safety from 49 USC.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:23 am

"44 and a wake-up" to deliver on "service this year".

Tick...Tock....Tick...Tock
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Jeff Smith » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:44 am

Gilbert B Norman wrote:"44 and a wake-up" to deliver on "service this year".

Tick...Tock....Tick...Tock


I'll bet you dinner at the local Holiday Inn on one of your trips, LOL. Or at least, a glass of the house cab....
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:34 pm

Best meal last time that I have EVER had at a Holiday Inn.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby electricron » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:59 pm

gokeefe wrote:Here's the federal preemption language on state rail safety from 49 USC.

And I might add, the FRA has regulations on at grade road crossings and rail corridor perimeters already.
I suggest reading, which places the responsibilities more on the local communities than the railroad companies.
https://www.fra.dot.gov/Elib/Document/2824
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby BandA » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:13 pm

Clear as mud, lol.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Noel Weaver » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:16 pm

Here is a video of a test train through downtown Delray Beach this past week. ENJOY!!!!

https://youtu.be/sMnHUSC95Jw

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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Rockingham Racer » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:59 am

Thanks, Noel. Very nice.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby gokeefe » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:05 am

BandA wrote:Clear as mud, lol.


The only thing that needs to be clear is that state regulations are pre-empted. :P
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby dowlingm » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:34 pm

It never ceases being frustrating that rail must always bear the costs of its own risks - PTC for example - but is also being held, as upthread, responsible for preventing non-rail vehicles and persons from entering its property unsafely. If the costs were even 50/50 split with the relevant municipality and its tax rolls, the local politicians might consider asking their own constituents to smarten up, and their road engineers to place chicanes or plan grade separations.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Noel Weaver » Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:25 am

Here is another article in our local paper. I hope I will have a chance to ride the first trip, whenever that happens.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/transp ... story.html

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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:03 pm

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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Arlington » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:15 pm

If it is real, the "passengers" must either be hypothetical or company-selected or unticketed walk-ons, because I don't see anywhere that Brightline is selling tickets.
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