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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby CentralValleyRail » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:09 pm

No idea, but that is not to be used as a scape goat for the delays and lack of communication from Brightline. Miami Central was not moving along any faster before the storm than after the storm. Yes they may have lost a week but were not weeks away were months.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Noel Weaver » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:39 pm

Here is some more from today's local rag. Good and big things take time and I guess this will take a little more time.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/transp ... story.html

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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby deathtopumpkins » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:58 pm

That's good news that the Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach stations are fully complete and ready to open though!
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Noel Weaver » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:35 pm

There is still a considerable amount of work to finish up in Miami and also some double track work between North Miami and Ojus and between Fort Lauderdale and at least Pompano. This project is huge, the largest private money project for rail passenger operations in this country since maybe sometime in the 1940's when the railroad industry was still investing in new passenger equipment and a few of the railroads in new stations as well. The NIMBYs are going to continue their fight and some misguided political leaders will side with them wasting a huge amount of government money and time on a case that they are likely to lose. There are new signals being installed all over the place, new interlockings where there was never one previously and other new stuff. Sometime all will be finished but it still might be a little bit longer. All in all this project will change the face of passenger railroading in South Florida.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby electricron » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:08 am

TriRail has proclaimed starting service to the downtown Miami train station during the second quarter of 2018, which could be as late as June next year. Which means the station will probably be ready enough for testing during the first quarter.
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Postby SD70ACe-T4 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:11 pm

I have received word of these things
    In 2020, Brightline will get service to Orlando. :-)
    There was a test train that wasn't their SC-44's :P but was derailed :(

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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:10 am

Brightline's favorite Treasure Coast Newspapers colunmist, Rich Campbell, "is at it again" regarding an X-ing fatality:

http://www.tcpalm.com/story/opinion/col ... 839120001/

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....Brightline hasn't even started commercial operations, yet its trains already have struck and killed two people.

Not a good start for a project that might eventually bring 32 daily passenger trains through the Treasure Coast.
Is this a harbinger of things to come for Brightline, formerly known as All Aboard Florida?

You decide.

Brightline officials have repeatedly emphasized their commitment to safety for the Miami-to-Orlando passenger rail project
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Rockingham Racer » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:49 am

As if it's the railroad's fault that people are getting killed. Stay off the tracks, and there's no problem. The TC Palm has done all it possibly can to denigrate AAF. It needs to move on.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby bostontrainguy » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:59 am

Gilbert B Norman wrote:http://www.tcpalm.com/story/opinion/columnists/rich-campbell/2017/11/09/deaths-harbinger-things-come-brightline-rich-campbell/839120001/


I live in Florida now very close to the CSX S line where long freights constantly move through at 50 mph. Recent regulations have reduced horn blowing at several signaled crossings even though there are no "Secured corridor" improvements. Several crossings have nothing but a crossbuck and a stop sign. There are even others with a crossbuck and a yield sign! People here are used to the situation and seem to respect and understand the dangers. Fast trains though populated areas is just a fact of life down here.

Back in Massachusetts you don't get the fast freights through populated areas very much, but I have watched kids getting out of school crossing the Amtrak line in Mansfield where soundless Acelas fly though at 150 mph. People have been killed here too.

Brightline doesn't need the bad press at this point, so I would think installing chain link fences though more populated areas would be a good idea. Can't do much about the suicides or stupidity, but a little fencing may prevent some incidences and the fewer number of deaths the better.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Arlington » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:27 am

As a matter of schedule reliability BL should want to make suicides as hard as possible. That it is also good for safety, PR, and pure humanitarian reasons (are there deer too?) makes it obvious that they should be fencing the whole route.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby electricron » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:17 am

Arlington wrote:As a matter of schedule reliability BL should want to make suicides as hard as possible. That it is also good for safety, PR, and pure humanitarian reasons (are there deer too?) makes it obvious that they should be fencing the whole route.


Why fence the entire route? It's impossible to fence every foot, there can't be fences at road crossings, so there will be gaps in the fence. Does the FRA require it?
Here's an unfathomable truth, FEC could build the entire corridor 25 feet in the air the entire way and some fool will find a way to walk on the elevated tracks and get ran over by a train.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Arlington » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:53 am

It is a numbers game: spending an appropriate amount on prevention to avoid a corresponding amount of delays, legal hassles, and bad PR.

Suicide is preventable by surprisingly gentle interventions that need only give a "don't kill yourself here and now" vibe (they don't need to persuade 'em to "don't kill yourself ever much less permanently supply a reason to live).

Suicidal people actually attempt the act in moments of despair or panic and use a method that is closest at hand (cheap, fast, and easy...saving money, time and effort) and often hard for bystanders to thwart. If they have a loaded gun at home, that often wins, but if they have to buy a gun or go get one, suddenly they are impulse shopping for a method, and the goal is to make sure "speeding train" is as inconvenient as possible.

So fencing off easy access points can clearly serve as a preventative (I'd let "impassable swamp" be the fence, where applicable) At crossings, make out-of-bounds people look as odd and in need of intervention as the guy climbing the fence on a bridge or looking out from a high ledge.

And, yeah, you don't want neighbors, students, and dog-walkers finding an easy shortcut, for which two fenecs is a great deterrent.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby Noel Weaver » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:55 pm

From what I have heard heavy fencing is part of the future. It will not be chain link fencing but much heavier fencing that will not be easily penetrated. Might not be everywhere but in critical places. The biggest things are education and enforcement. If you educate the people as to the dangers involved and apply heavy enforcement with penalties for violators, it might very well help a lot. Here in Florida I have seen folks fun the lights and gates and the cops do nothing about it. Years ago it was the same thing in New Jersey as well. Hit them in the pocketbook and things will get better. Will it cure the problem? no but it will help.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby bostontrainguy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:17 pm

According to FloridaPolitics.com, the Florida Senate's transportation committee voted unanimously this week to move along a bill that would require Brightline to comply with state inspections, upgrade road crossings, and install security fencing — requirements that the regional railroad asserts are pre-empted by Federal rules covering the same topics.
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Re: Brightline aka All Aboard Florida Orlando - Miami FL FEC

Postby electricron » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:54 pm

bostontrainguy wrote:According to FloridaPolitics.com, the Florida Senate's transportation committee voted unanimously this week to move along a bill that would require Brightline to comply with state inspections, upgrade road crossings, and install security fencing — requirements that the regional railroad asserts are pre-empted by Federal rules covering the same topics.

A bill passed by one Senate committee doesn’t turn it into the law of Florida. It will still have to pass through the senate, the legislature, and get the governor’s signature. And then not get an injunction by a Federal Court, which I’m certain Brightline will file a lawsuit.
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