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FEC GP40's question

Postby Leo_Ames » Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:23 pm

Have some been retired? Was looking at a recent roster and noticed some number gaps with missing numbers in their GP40's that I didn't recall being there at one time.

Also when did they retire their last EMD switchers and the GP9's? I kind of figured they'd of disappeared over the past 10 years, but never had any kind of confirmation until now that they were.
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Postby GOLDEN-ARM » Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:46 pm

Here's an idea, Leo, why not put that roster up here, and let the guys (and gals) fill in the blanks. A lot easier, if we can see what you are working with. Thanks!

Here's what I found, and there are no gaps, initially.........


FEC All-Time GP-40 Diesel Roster
Sorted by: Road Number.

Provided courtesy of John Sykes III edits by Wayne Eckert


Road Bld. Ret.
Num. Bldr. Model Bldr. # Date Date Notes Disposition
401 EMD GP40 36773 01/1971
402 EMD GP40 36774 01/1971 07/1979
Wrecked 2/12/79, rebuilt to 424
403 EMD GP40 36775 02/1971
404 EMD GP40 36776 02/1971 1
405 EMD GP40 36777 03/1971
406 EMD GP40 36778 03/1971
407 EMD GP40 36779 03/1971
408 EMD GP40 36780 03/1971 1
409 EMD GP40 36781 03/1971
410 EMD GP40 36782 03/1971
411 EMD GP40-2 5813- 1 11/1972
412 EMD GP40-2 5813- 2 11/1972
413 EMD GP40-2 5813- 3 11/1972 1
414 EMD GP40-2 5813- 4 11/1972 1
415 EMD GP40-2 5813- 5 11/1972
416 EMD GP40-2 74650- 1 10/1974
417 EMD GP40-2 74650- 2 10/1974
418 EMD GP40-2 74650- 3 10/1974 1
419 EMD GP40-2 786169- 1 10/1979 1
420 EMD GP40-2 786169- 2 10/1979 1
421 EMD GP40-2 786169- 3 10/1979
422 EMD GP40-2 786169- 4 10/1979
423 EMD GP40-2 786169- 5 10/1979 1
Wrecked 4/11/87, Rblt by Republic Loco. to FEC 437.
424 EMD GP40-2 786169- 1 01/1980 1
Mfg date 10-79 Rblt from 402
425 EMD GP40-2 796325- 1 09/1980 1
426 EMD GP40-2 796325- 2 09/1980
427 EMD GP40-2 796325- 3 09/1980
428 EMD GP40-2 796325- 4 09/1980
429 EMD GP40-2 796325- 5 09/1980
430 EMD GP40-2 847012- 1 12/1984 1 Eqpd with dynamic brakes.
431 EMD GP40-2 847012- 2 12/1984 1 Eqpd with dynamic brakes.
432 EMD GP40-2 857078- 1 12/1985
433 EMD GP40-2 857127- 1 12/1986
434 EMD GP40-2 857127- 2 12/1986 Last GP40-2 blt by EMD.
435 EMD GP40 32569 12/1966 Ex BN 3993, nee CB&Q 173
acquired 12/87 from NRE.
436 EMD GP40 33752 02/1968 Ex BN 3031, nee CB&Q 631,
acquired 03/88 from NRE.
437 EMD GP40-2 78169- 5 10/1979 Rblt 8/87 from wrecked FEC 423
438 EMD GP40 33870 02/1968 Ex BN 3036, nee CB&Q 636,
acquired 04/88 from NRE.
439 EMD GP40 31672 03/1966 Ex SOO 4609, nee MILW 186/2006,
acquired 05/88 from NRE.
440 EMD GP40 32305 10/1966 Ex SOO 4649, nee MILW 197/2023,
441 EMD GP40 32306 10/1966 Ex SOO 4650, nee MILW 198/2024,
442 EMD GP40-2 Ex Conrail 3193
443 EMD GP40-2 Ex Conrail 3207
444 EMD GP40-3 Ex CSX 6547 dynamic brakes
445 EMD GP40-3 Ex CSX 6818 dynamic brakes
446 EMD GP40-3 Ex CSX 6844 dynamic brakes
447 EMD GP40-3 Ex CSX 6774 dynamic brakes

FEC 448 GP40-3 34333 28 15535 ex-PC
FEC 449 GP40-3 34334 14 36688 ex-PC
FEC 451 GP40 34139 3 15536 ex-MILW
FEC 452 GP40 32488 2 15537 ex-MILW
FEC 453 GP40 35472 3 ex-MKT
Note. 1. Verified by checking builders plate on unit
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Re: FEC GP40's question

Postby boatsmate » Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:25 pm

Saw a picture on another web site of one of the GP-40's (722) on a New England Central train the picture is dated Oct 28 of this year. not sure of the location other than it was in CT. and the engine is still painted in FEC Colors with its FEC Number.


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Re: FEC GP40's question

Postby fire5506 » Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:11 pm

Your list has DE 420 and 424 with the same builders number.
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Re: FEC GP40's question

Postby KV1guy » Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:19 pm

What about 448-453?
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Re: FEC GP40's question

Postby GOLDEN-ARM » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:22 pm

fire5506 wrote:Your list has DE 420 and 424 with the same builders number.



The list also shows the 424 was rebuilt from #420, so, it would have the same same builders number, on the frame ;)

The rest of the GP-40 roster might look something like this:


FEC 448 GP40-3 34333 28 15535 ex-PC
FEC 449 GP40-3 34334 14 36688 ex-PC
FEC 451 GP40 34139 3 15536 ex-MILW
FEC 452 GP40 32488 2 15537 ex-MILW
FEC 453 GP40 35472 3 ex-MKT

I will add this above, too.
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Re: FEC GP40's question

Postby GOLDEN-ARM » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:43 pm

boatsmate wrote:Saw a picture on another web site of one of the GP-40's (722) on a New England Central train the picture is dated Oct 28 of this year. not sure of the location other than it was in CT. and the engine is still painted in FEC Colors with its FEC Number.


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If it was an unchanged number, then it wasn't a GP-40. The 700 series are SD-40's, and that particular unit would have been an ex-UP locomotive.
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Re: FEC GP40's question

Postby boatsmate » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:48 pm

All I know is what the poster for the Picture wrote under it. I jsut thought i would pass along it was seen. To tell the truth I couldn't tell the differnece between a gp 40 an da B23-7. as for the number that is what I saw in the pic. I do not want to post a link to it with out permission of the poster.
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Re: FEC GP40's question

Postby GOLDEN-ARM » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:00 pm

The GP-40 would be the fast one, the B-23-7 would be the smokey one......:P Feel free to post links to offsite photos. Don't "hotlink", and don't post the pictures themselves. Thanks for the info!!!
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Re: FEC GP40's question

Postby fire5506 » Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:44 pm

GOLDEN-ARM wrote:
fire5506 wrote:Your list has DE 420 and 424 with the same builders number.



The list also shows the 424 was rebuilt from #420, so, it would have the same same builders number, on the frame ;)

Hello GOLDEN-ARM,

The 424 was not rebuilt from the 420 as both are still running on the FEC. The builder numbers have to be diferent.

The parts from the 402 were traded back to EMD for unit exchange parts (engine, AR-10, aux. gen., etc) to be used in the 424. The frame and body were new so that makes it a new locomotive, not a rebuilt one. 424 was a new locomotive built with rebuilt parts.
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Re: FEC GP40's question

Postby boodog » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:16 am

The 402 was not rebuilt into the 424 as you and other people say. After the 402 was wrecked, EMD wanted the engine, AR10, air compressor, aux generator back for a trade in on the 424 to get the cost down. They were shipped in a gondola to EMD, but these were never used in the 424. The 424 was built new.
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Re: FEC GP40's question

Postby JohnSykes » Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:28 pm

A couple of FYI's.

There were some errors in the original Roster that I compiled, and Wayne Eckert posted. I have made numerous corrections and updates (mostly to builder numbers and build dates) and provided a copy to Wayne. He is checking through it and should have it posted on various FECRS websites shortly.

The new roster includes all the former UP SD40-2 info with correct builder numbers and build dates (I also happen to be a UP freak).

GP40-2 402 was wrecked and usable parts were traded to EMD. 424 is a new loco, however the trucks may have been used (FEC traded GP9's on their GP40-2's and the trucks were re-used - that is why FEC GP40-2's and GP38-2's do NOT have Blomberg M trucks).

The leased GP40-2's from 448 up were added to the roster, along with their original owners, builder numbers and builder dates (I think I could not find one of the build dates other than "1970").

The SD70M-2's were also added to the roster with builder numbers and build dates.

Finally, the GP40-2's and SD40-2's that I have documentation for, are shown as being moved to AGR or NECR. This data is changing daily, however.

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Re: FEC GP40's question

Postby fire5506 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:21 pm

JohnSykes wrote:A couple of FYI's.

GP40-2 402 was wrecked and usable parts were traded to EMD. 424 is a new loco, however the trucks may have been used (FEC traded GP9's on their GP40-2's and the trucks were re-used - that is why FEC GP40-2's and GP38-2's do NOT have Blomberg M trucks).

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The first FEC GP-40-2s, DE 411-418, came Blomberg M trucks. The Blomberg M trucks are rougher riding than the regular Blombergs, they don't stop as well and are more prone to over riding brake shoes. I wouldn't be surprised to find out on subsequent orders specified regular Blombergs for those reasons.
Which truck came under an engine depended on what was ordered or if it was specified that traded in trucks were to be used.

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Re: FEC GP40's question

Postby JohnSykes » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:53 am

Aha! Thanks for the info. I checked and 411-418 were delivered with Blomberg M trucks but, from photos online, it appears that 411-415 and 417 still have M's, 416 and 418 have now been equipped with Blomberg B's. Maybe I'll have to model one of those (411-415), since I now have an overabundance of Blomberg M truck sideframes after swapping them out on 434, 445, 447, 507 and 509. Also, note that the GP38-2's have 3,600 gal fuel tanks, the GP40-2's purchased new have 2,600 gal fuel tanks, and the GP40-2's leased or purchased used have either (as the original RR ordered). These are listed on my updated roster.

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