Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

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Re: Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

Postby nomis » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:44 pm

Has the work for clearances been completed? Are double stacks or autoracks allowed on the NYSL portion?
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Re: Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

Postby bth8446 » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:40 pm

I don't know if they are 'done' but I've seen no double stack passing by the area near the SEPTA regional rail underpass. IN that area, the dug and put some new rail (completed). can that one rail handle double stack, I don't know.

BUT, the work continues. They've ripped up the old rail and dug a bit deeper, and I just noticed gravel (don't know if its official ballast yet) dropped in the trench dug out just today. I assume new rail will sit there as well.

But, I'm definitely not an insider, just my visual observations
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Re: Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

Postby bth8446 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:30 pm

Actually, I was noticing that they are laying down 2 more sets of track under this area by SEPTA's Roberts yard. So there is a total of 3 tracks. This time, the two tracks seem noticibly lower.

I thought when they dug the initial trench to lay down what is now the currently active track, that it would handle double stack, but now I wonder if thats the case.

As said, the other two new tracks are visibly lower.

Is that currently active track going to be inactivated once the other two tracks are activated?
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Re: Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

Postby Arlington » Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:38 pm

Thanks for the update! Does anyone know the layout when finished?
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Re: Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

Postby jslader » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:28 pm

The current active track will remain active, but it will not go under the bridge. It will bear to the left as the connector track to SEPTA (known as the "Blueliner Connector"). The area will look much as it did before the work, except two tracks will be passing under the bridge as opposed to the one before, and both tracks will be able to handle stacks.
As for the entire project, much work remains. Many bridges have to have clearance work performed, including Cottman Ave (which is currently being reconstructed, but not to clearance height; apparently after the bridge is finished CSX will go back and undercut the track). The most challenging projects include the trench just east of CP Nice that goes alongside Wayne Station (the track passes under some streets-like Germantown Avenue-whose bridges can't just be rebuilt, BUT the trench is lined with concrete), and the NS overpass just north of Woodbourne station. However, it was said CP Nice would be difficult, but they made it seem rather easy.

Also, they have begun laying down one if the other tracks at CP Nice.
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Re: Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

Postby BuddSilverliner269 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:28 pm

JS, thanks for the updates. It remains to be seen how long this project will take, but Im glad to see the work, as slow as it may seem.
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Re: Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

Postby jslader » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:39 pm

So I was given the day off, and thus finally had an opportunity to get some daylight photos.
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Here you can see how the recently laid track is bearing to the left (the photo's right) which leads me to believe there will be another switch here. This photo is from Wissahickon Ave, the road bridge in the photo above. The raised part of the retaining wall to the right in this picture is where I took the other photos.
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In this view you can see the closer track in the photos is not complete. Also, closer to Wissahickon Ave-the bridge in the background-it appears another track will run into the track in the foreground, so there will be 3 tracks going under the bridge. The signals in view are on service.
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Looking northeast, in this view the layout has changed slightly. The switch shown here now takes trains off the track in the background-which further up now ends after the SEPTA connector breaks off, which has the truck on it on this picture-and onto the track on the foreground, which then has the port Richmond secondary branch off it before swinging to the left and go under the bridge on the temporary alignment of the track in the background.
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Re: Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

Postby jslader » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:58 pm

Some more shots:
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Looking east from the Fox St overpass. Again, note the height difference in the roadbeds.
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Looking west from Fox St. Overpass. The former Tastykake factory is out of view to the upper left. the siding has been torn put as the property is slated to become a giant Shoprite supermarket.
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Looking west from Wissahickon Ave. Doesn't look like roadbed for the other two tracks has been graded down to the new depth yet. Can especially see this in the Fox St views.
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Re: Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

Postby jslader » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:12 pm

These are a couple shots of the trench I mentioned that is east/north of CP Nice. The photos are taken from Wayne Ave.
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Looking north towards Germantown Ave. SEPTA's Wayne Junction Station is overhead to left.
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Looking south, towards CP Nice. Rt 1 overpass, aka the Roosevelt Blvd Extension looms in the background
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Re: Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

Postby jslader » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:18 pm

Finally, a shot from Clarissa St. The track in the foreground is the Port Richmond secondary.
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Re: Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

Postby ex Budd man » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:35 am

What kind of camera are you using? The image quality is very poor when veiwed on my monitor.
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Re: Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

Postby jslader » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:13 am

I use my HTC EVO. However, I have cropped my pics down to meet the 400kb per picture requirement, which compromises their quality. Perhaps it is time I opened a Flickr account. A tip, however: under the "tools" menu of your web browser you may find a zoom level for viewing the browser. It will probably be checked "normal/default". Check it to a smaller or the smallest setting. You probably won't be able to view the words without 20/15 vision but my pics may have more clarity.
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Re: Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

Postby jslader » Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:50 pm

So I finally figured out Flickr, and have uploaded all of my pics in their original glory.http://www.flickr.com/photos/61407283@N ... hotostream

Below is a couple pics I took on Thursday.
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Re: Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

Postby nomis » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:25 pm

Cottman Ave OHB has traffic single laned on the Southern half again.the north side is lacking a sidewalk. Last week, around Wed I think, all 4 lanes were opened.
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Re: Improvements to allow for doublestack trains in Philly

Postby bth8446 » Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:00 pm

Near where the rails go under the SEPTA line, near SEPTAs ROBERTs Yard area, they lowered the one set of rails first, then did the other. That was completed months ago. 'They' went away, but are back digging again. I don't know if they would be putting in a 3rd rail, or if they are just digging for water management purposes . . . But activities continue in that area
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