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Another black eye for CSX - employee injured during eclipse

Postby BR&P » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:43 am

I have no opinion on the accuracy of the details or allegations, but this is what was reported by Nashville TN TV news:

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - New details are emerging about a gruesome accident that caused a railroad worker to lose his arm during Monday's solar eclipse.

A memo obtained by NewsChannel 5 Investigates blames CSX for failing to take safety precautions during the darkest minutes of the eclipse.

And it claims the emergency response was delayed because supervisors were too busy staring up into the sky.


http://www.newschannel5.com/news/newsch ... ar-eclipse
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Re: Another black eye for CSX - employee injured during ecli

Postby airman00 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:27 pm

I read this and at first I wasn't going to reply, but feel compelled to do so. This corporate culture of money over people has got to STOP and it has to stop now! CSX upper management needs to be raked over the coals for this. More than likely this accident was completely avoidable by just simply telling crews in the areas most affected by the darkness of the eclipse to stop work for ten minutes until it gets light again. But heaven forbid you stop work for ten minutes! And in addition to this, I happen to know for a fact, that this current csx corporate culture isn't just at csx. This corporate culture of putting the bottom line and the shareholders over employees, and treating employees like yesterday's newspaper, is a problem at most companies across this country in almost any business. My opinion is Mr. CSX CEO's "new policy's" played a role in this, someway, somehow. Forgive me if I crossed the line in any way with this post, and I really hope this man will be ok, but it's high time companies start treating there people like human beings and not mindless robots.
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Re: Another black eye for CSX - employee injured during ecli

Postby Gadfly » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:38 pm

airman00 wrote:I read this and at first I wasn't going to reply, but feel compelled to do so. This corporate culture of money over people has got to STOP and it has to stop now! CSX upper management needs to be raked over the coals for this. More than likely this accident was completely avoidable by just simply telling crews in the areas most affected by the darkness of the eclipse to stop work for ten minutes until it gets light again. But heaven forbid you stop work for ten minutes! And in addition to this, I happen to know for a fact, that this current csx corporate culture isn't just at csx. This corporate culture of putting the bottom line and the shareholders over employees, and treating employees like yesterday's newspaper, is a problem at most companies across this country in almost any business. My opinion is Mr. CSX CEO's "new policy's" played a role in this, someway, somehow. Forgive me if I crossed the line in any way with this post, and I really hope this man will be ok, but it's high time companies start treating there people like human beings and not mindless robots.


Not being THERE at the time, I am certainly not qualified to point fingers. I can, however, ask a few questions. If an employee was working on a car/engine, or other on-track equipment, how is it that this equipment wasn't IN a rip track with BLUE FLAG protection? Why is it that equipment being worked on is not "in the clear", or on tracks with sufficient separation that work crews (car pecks, etc) can do so safely without being affected by movement on adjacent tracks? How did the employee manage to HAVE his arm UNDER the car(s) to BE run over in the first place? Did someone shove in/couple to the cut he was working on? The way this is presented is very fuzzy and unclear and tends to present ONE side of the incident.

From the standpoint of the safety culture at Norfolk Southern, it would *seem*(?) that this was entirely preventable. "The person most responsible for YOUR Safety is YOU". If you SEE something that is unsafe, You (the employee) are responsible to, first, analyze the scene. 2) Survey any hazards that may be present. 3) Secure the area with flags, locks, tag-outs. 4) Correct any unsafe condition. and 5) If the scene/job is UNSAFE, DON'T UNDERTAKE to do DO it. lest the hearse "UNDERTAKE" YOU!!! :( At NS, EVERYONE was/is a "Safety CHAIRMAN".

Surely, there are factors of which I am unaware; that, I admit. I, too, have been pressured to do a job that was unsafe to do, but the company would FIRE YOU if you got caught performing unsafe tasks. Never, never, never place yourself in a situation of known danger. A railroad yard is, by its nature, dangerous. One must ASSUME that anything can happen at any time. Thus NS spent huge amounts of time and huge $$$$$ teaching a SAFETY CULTURE. I saw a supervisor get DEMOTED and transferred because he allowed a known defect to exist in a forklift and did not correct it immediately.

And the final safety rule that kept ME safe out there, "Expect movement on ANY track, at ANY time, from ANY direction. Always." :(
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Re: Another black eye for CSX - employee injured during ecli

Postby mmi16 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:39 pm

Gadfly wrote:
airman00 wrote:I read this and at first I wasn't going to reply, but feel compelled to do so. This corporate culture of money over people has got to STOP and it has to stop now! CSX upper management needs to be raked over the coals for this. More than likely this accident was completely avoidable by just simply telling crews in the areas most affected by the darkness of the eclipse to stop work for ten minutes until it gets light again. But heaven forbid you stop work for ten minutes! And in addition to this, I happen to know for a fact, that this current csx corporate culture isn't just at csx. This corporate culture of putting the bottom line and the shareholders over employees, and treating employees like yesterday's newspaper, is a problem at most companies across this country in almost any business. My opinion is Mr. CSX CEO's "new policy's" played a role in this, someway, somehow. Forgive me if I crossed the line in any way with this post, and I really hope this man will be ok, but it's high time companies start treating there people like human beings and not mindless robots.


Not being THERE at the time, I am certainly not qualified to point fingers. I can, however, ask a few questions. If an employee was working on a car/engine, or other on-track equipment, how is it that this equipment wasn't IN a rip track with BLUE FLAG protection? Why is it that equipment being worked on is not "in the clear", or on tracks with sufficient separation that work crews (car pecks, etc) can do so safely without being affected by movement on adjacent tracks? How did the employee manage to HAVE his arm UNDER the car(s) to BE run over in the first place? Did someone shove in/couple to the cut he was working on? The way this is presented is very fuzzy and unclear and tends to present ONE side of the incident.

From the standpoint of the safety culture at Norfolk Southern, it would *seem*(?) that this was entirely preventable. "The person most responsible for YOUR Safety is YOU". If you SEE something that is unsafe, You (the employee) are responsible to, first, analyze the scene. 2) Survey any hazards that may be present. 3) Secure the area with flags, locks, tag-outs. 4) Correct any unsafe condition. and 5) If the scene/job is UNSAFE, DON'T UNDERTAKE to do DO it. lest the hearse "UNDERTAKE" YOU!!! :( At NS, EVERYONE was/is a "Safety CHAIRMAN".

Surely, there are factors of which I am unaware; that, I admit. I, too, have been pressured to do a job that was unsafe to do, but the company would FIRE YOU if you got caught performing unsafe tasks. Never, never, never place yourself in a situation of known danger. A railroad yard is, by its nature, dangerous. One must ASSUME that anything can happen at any time. Thus NS spent huge amounts of time and huge $$$$$ teaching a SAFETY CULTURE. I saw a supervisor get DEMOTED and transferred because he allowed a known defect to exist in a forklift and did not correct it immediately.

And the final safety rule that kept ME safe out there, "Expect movement on ANY track, at ANY time, from ANY direction. Always." :(


EHH threw out the Safety Culture that CSX has been operating with for the past decade or more.
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Re: Another black eye for CSX - employee injured during ecli

Postby Gadfly » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:03 pm

And the final safety rule that kept ME safe out there, "Expect movement on ANY track, at ANY time, from ANY direction. Always." :([/quote]

EHH threw out the Safety Culture that CSX has been operating with for the past decade or more.[/quote]

I expect he'll experience trauma he'll wish he wouldn't. It's gonna come back to BITE HIM IN THE BUTT!!!!!!! :-D :-D :-D
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