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Lakeshore line defect detectors Cleveland-Buffalo

Postby craltoona » Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:58 pm

There are defect detectors just as you get into PA towards Buffalo that give the name of the railroad (Conrail), location, track number, status, and axle count, but they also give the train speed. (Ripley, Erie, Springfield) In Ohio there are still many original detectors left, however none of these give the speed. The one closest to me (Eastlake Ohio) recently had what appears to be a high clearance detector installed a few a years ago. It is in the form of a signal bridge.

My question is, does anyone know if all of these original detectors (Cleveland, Eastlake, Madison, Ashtabula) ever gave the train speed and were eventually altered? Does anyone know if a new message was added to the Eastlake defect detector when the high car detector was installed?

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Postby charlie6017 » Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:44 pm

At one time, those detectors did give the train speed. However, if there were problems with it giving correct train speeds, that part of the message could be taken off. The dragging equipment detectors did not give speed readings.
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Postby craltoona » Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:20 pm

Thankyou! I always suspected that was the case but wasn't sure. I appreciate it.

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Postby fglk » Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:01 am

All Former Conrail Defect detectors still give full message Conrail (Name of Location), track, and Train Speed across New York as well. Everything was altered to CSX Style but was converted back to the Conrail form after crews complaned about not under standing the Southern accent being broadcasted back to them.
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Postby charlie6017 » Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:49 pm

LOL!
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Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:11 am

haha that is funny :D
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Postby Robert Paniagua » Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:53 am

All Former Conrail Defect detectors still give full message Conrail (Name of Location), track, and Train Speed across New York as well. Everything was altered to CSX Style but was converted back to the Conrail form after crews complaned about not under standing the Southern accent being broadcasted back to them.

Yes, and same here in the B & A portion of Massachusetts, the mainline between BOS and Albany also have similar detectors, when CSXT came to town, they were modified to say the "CSX" name only to go back to Conrail name as you stated. ALL car detectors tell you the Location Area here in MA, along with track (unless ther's only one track i.e. Warren, Wilbraham, and probably Russell), and overall axle count and speed (Except Ashland MM 24, and Dalton MM 146, these two don't tell you how fast trains are doing).
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Postby CSX Conductor » Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:24 pm

Robert Paniagua wrote:[i]Yes, and same here in the B & A portion of Massachusetts, the mainline between BOS and Albany also have similar detectors, when CSXT came to town, they were modified to say the "CSX" name only to go back to Conrail name as you stated. ALL car detectors tell you the Location Area here in MA, along with track (unless ther's only one track i.e. Warren, Wilbraham, and probably Russell), and overall axle count and speed (Except Ashland MM 24, and Dalton MM 146, these two don't tell you how fast trains are doing).



FYI: When the West Springfield Dragger was turned into a DED/HBD, it was also modified to have the CSXT message......and it says "CSX detector, Milepost 103.5, north or south track <not 1or2> no defects, total axle count ___, train speed __, detector out"

Conrail detectors say "over" at the end of the transmission because train crews are supposed to answer the detector as acknowledgement of the inspection......where as "out" means no reply required

and as far as the detectors at Dalton (MP QB 145.9 CSXT Message) and Ashland (MP QB 24.2) do not give speeds or axle counts......they are only Dragging Equipment Detectors....and around here only Hot Box detectors give axle counts. because if you have dragging equipment, the conductor has to walk the entire train. (the only DED that is an exception to this is on the Framingham Secondary in Medfield, Ma. which is now CSXT message, but gives axle count.......75% of the time the axle count is wrong, but it is intended to give axle counts)
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Re: Lakeshore line defect detectors Cleveland-Buffalo

Postby cbehr91 » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:33 pm

craltoona wrote:There are defect detectors just as you get into PA towards Buffalo that give the name of the railroad (Conrail), location, track number, status, and axle count, but they also give the train speed. (Ripley, Erie, Springfield) In Ohio there are still many original detectors left, however none of these give the speed. The one closest to me (Eastlake Ohio) recently had what appears to be a high clearance detector installed a few a years ago. It is in the form of a signal bridge.

My question is, does anyone know if all of these original detectors (Cleveland, Eastlake, Madison, Ashtabula) ever gave the train speed and were eventually altered? Does anyone know if a new message was added to the Eastlake defect detector when the high car detector was installed?

Thanks!
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Back in the 80s and until the early 90s, Conrail hotbox detectors ended their readout after "No Defects", there was no axle count, train speed or "over". All that was added later in the early to mid 90s. I think when Conrail was experimenting with talking detectors in the 70s, they had a welcome message too.

If a high car passes through the Eastlake detector, it would say something to the effect of, "Eastlake, Ohio, Track (x), first clerence defect, axle (x), second clerence defect, axle (x), and so on (if/when applicable). It would then proceed to the total axle cout, omit "over", and repeat the full message again and perhaps a third time, with "over" ending the entire transmission.

Conrail formatted these detectors originally to omit beep tones when a defect when by (hotbox, dragging equipment, whatver), but CSX and NS disabled this feature, instead telling you if there was a defect on the ending readout only.
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Re: Lakeshore line defect detectors Cleveland-Buffalo

Postby Roscoe P. Coaltrain » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:55 am

Hotbox detectors were different from dragging equipment detectors. HBDs gave the fully monty, and DEDs did not. Both types used a different computer voice, too, with the DED's using a 'faster' voice. The DED just gave railroad, location, and "No Dragging Equipment". HBD's were later altered to give axle count and train speed.

Santa Fe used the same computer voice as Conrail's HBDs. They announced "Santa Fe Railway" in place of "Conrail"
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Re: Lakeshore line defect detectors Cleveland-Buffalo

Postby crquality » Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:05 pm

Any recordings of the old Santa Fe Detectors? YouTube finds no results, and a google search, not much better.
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Re: Lakeshore line defect detectors Cleveland-Buffalo

Postby charlie6017 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:13 am

Welcome to Railroad.net! :-)

Not sure what you mean by "Santa Fe" detectors. Did you mean actual Santa Fe detectors or
something that resembles the way they may be similar to the way Conrail used their defect
detectors?

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Re: Lakeshore line defect detectors Cleveland-Buffalo

Postby Backshophoss » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:36 am

Believe he means how the detector "Talked" on the radio,upon the 1st axle crossed the sensor,after the last axle crossed the sensor,and when toned to
repeat the "NO DEFECTS" message, Conrail used the same routine without the temperature on the "NO DEFECTS" message.
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Re: Lakeshore line defect detectors Cleveland-Buffalo

Postby crquality » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:51 pm

My apologies.

I was reading this thread through a search on google, and it was mentioned that the old Santa Fe Railroad detectors were the same model and "voice" of the old Conrail detectors too.

I was wondering if anyone actually made a recording (audio) of the messages on the Santa Fe detectors as people have done with the Conrail ones. It would be interesting to listen to, and you tube doesn't offer much help (or anywhere else for that matter).

A "robotic" "Santa Fe Railway" would be interesting to hear. I've been a detector recording collector for a while, especially of the older ones you just can't find anymore, especially as they are replaced by newer, smaller, more accurate models.

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Re: Lakeshore line defect detectors Cleveland-Buffalo

Postby Backshophoss » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:45 pm

The "robotic" voice on BNSF talkers can sometimes have a texas twang,otherwise monotone. Due to the radio transmitter being a "lower"
power,they can be heard at close range,but not far away,unless picked up by a repeater/Dispatcher's link.
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