Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in 1979

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Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in 1979

Postby green_elite_cab » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:19 am

Hi,

I have been working on building a complete graph schedule of all trains on the Northeast Corridor. There is one train that I cannot seem to find the schedule information on, the Tropicana Juice train. In the late 1970s, this train went under the train symbol WAKE, Potomac Yard to Kearny, NJ.

Thought it is mentioned on the "Unit Train" schedules of several Conrail Freight schedules (found on Multimodalways.org), no specific times are actually listed for this train.

So....

Does anyone have a more detailed schedule for this train, or at the very least, approximately when it would be arriving in Kearny, preferably in 1979?
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Re: Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in

Postby ExCon90 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:54 pm

To the best of my recollection, the train ran at the convenience of Tropicana -- when it was loaded and ready, it left, and it had 36 hours to get to Kearny, with a 12-hour cushion to maintain temperature. The cars were insulated to be good for 48 hours, but were not refrigerator cars; they were electrically pre-cooled at origin and were unplugged just before departure. Consequently the train had a high priority along its entire route, and whenever it arrived at Potomac Yard it was moved immediately onward to Kearny.
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Re: Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in

Postby RailsEast » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:15 pm

Agreed, no set schedule, but when Tropicana was ready. I don't know about the late '70s, but the late '80s saw the train through Port Reading Junction (Bound Brook/Manville, NJ) frequently on Sundays during season; I seem to remember the symbol as 'OJT-01' or 'OJT-12' (whatever the originating date on CR was).
I can't say I remember hearing the symbol 'WAKE', though...
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Re: Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in

Postby ExCon90 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:34 pm

I couldn't think of the symbol, but now that you mention it, OJT is what I remember.
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Re: Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in

Postby green_elite_cab » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:22 pm

OJT i think is the "newer" train symbol. the old Conrail schedules still call it WAKE.
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Re: Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in

Postby pumpers » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:00 am

I lived next to the old Reading line north of Trenton (now CSX trenton line) in the late 80's and 90's. I seem to recall the juice train northbound ran all kinds of times, but mostly at night.

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Re: Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in

Postby tahawus84 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:55 pm

Does the juice train still run? If not why and when was it stopped?
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Re: Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in

Postby chuchubob » Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:53 am

tahawus84 wrote:Does the juice train still run? ...

Yes.
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Re: Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in

Postby Freddy » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:54 am

Worked on a signal gang following a rail gang in Bradenton Fla.(home of Tropicana). We were right beside the loading docks. You could go inside to the vending machines and just press a
button,no money needed since Tropicana was a division of Coca-Cola. That was in 88. In 79 I worked on a section gang at Kingsland Ga. the juice train came by us northbound as I remember
a little after 9am. To the best of my knowledge the route was Bradenton to Baldwin Fl. to Callahan Fl.,Kingsland Ga.,Richmond Hill Ga. Ogeechee River then Savannah and on north.
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Re: Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in

Postby JimBoylan » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:23 pm

Does WAKE mean Way (freight) Albany (division) (from) KEarney?
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Re: Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in

Postby ExCon90 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:18 pm

JimBoylan wrote:Does WAKE mean Way (freight) Albany (division) (from) KEarney?

Normally that's just what it would mean, but such designations were only used for local freights, which frequently ran only short distances and returned to their initial terminal -- there would also be a number assigned to identify the run, such as WAKE-1. I don't have any schedule books from that period, but if they were using WA (for Washington) to represent Potomac Yard, a road freight from PotYard to Kearny would be symboled WAKE without a number (there was a time when they didn't yet append departure dates).
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Re: Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in

Postby green_elite_cab » Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:00 am

ExCon90 wrote:
JimBoylan wrote:Does WAKE mean Way (freight) Albany (division) (from) KEarney?

Normally that's just what it would mean, but such designations were only used for local freights, which frequently ran only short distances and returned to their initial terminal -- there would also be a number assigned to identify the run, such as WAKE-1. I don't have any schedule books from that period, but if they were using WA (for Washington) to represent Potomac Yard, a road freight from PotYard to Kearny would be symboled WAKE without a number (there was a time when they didn't yet append departure dates).


My books indicate that the four letter "codes" mention origin and destination. WA was Potomac Yard, just outside Washington DC. KE was Kearny, NJ.

another example would be ENCC, Enola-Chemical Coast, or CREN, Croxton-Enola. These trains may be broken into sections which would then be numbered.
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Re: Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in

Postby TAMR213 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:38 pm

Another example of a road freight symbol would be what was always my favorite, OIPI (Oak Island-Pittsburgh)

An example of a local train (or in this case technically a yard job): YPME-2
Y(ard) P(hiladelphia) ME(tuchen) - 2
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Re: Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in

Postby JimBoylan » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:04 pm

I remember SEPY trains between SElkirk, N.Y. and Potomic Yard, Va. Since the Tropicana Juice train used WA, did that mean that the actual interchange between the Southern and Northern roads of this run through train was in the District of Columbia?
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Re: Question about the "WAKE", the Tropicana Juice train in

Postby ExCon90 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:29 pm

No -- WA, while derived from the name Washington, stood for Potomac Yard, in Virginia, where actual interchange took place. I'm not sure why CR didn't simply use PY, unless it was because all other trains to or from PotYard either terminated or originated there, all cars being redistributed to other trains, whereas the OJT simply "relayed" through, with just an engine and crew change (and the usual interchange inspection), with no change in the consist. I can't prove it, but I think the OJT was the only train of which that was true.
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