I don't understand, How is conrail still alive?

[PEARLJAM_FAN]

I don't understand, How is conrail still alive?

[rswinnerton]

Conrail is still alive as Conrail Shared Assets. It's a jointly controlled entity of CSX and NS. They operate in northern NJ and Detroit areas. When NS and CSX took over Conrail, they couldn't agree on who got these high volume / traffic areas, so to get the deal done, they allowed "CSA" to operate to serve both railroads equally.
Russ

[chuchubob]

Conrail Shared Assets also operates in Philadelphia and South Jersey.

[rswinnerton]

Silly me.... How could I forget our South Jersey Connection?
Russ

[airman00]

excuse me for opening an old thread, but if conrail is now CSA, why are csx and ns so wanting to paint over the few remaining conrail engines to there colors? I understand your property, your business and all that. I also get the fact that those companies want people to know whose in charge and all that.

But shouldn't there be a few engines mandated to stay in conrail colors as long as conrail still technically operated, (even though it's conrail shared assets), not just the few engines they haven't gotten around to painting over yet?

I mean as long as conrail still technically exsists why aren't there engines just becoming like...csa engines?

[atsf sp]

The engines are owned by CSX/NS. The tracks are CSA which is a jointly owned terminal company between CSX and NS.

[RDGTRANSMUSEUM]

It's a tangled arrangement,but according to what I could find, the STB allowed NS to fully absorb Conrail in 2004. I recently had CR send my personell files and the women I talked with said they were a "terminal and switching company." so yes, you should see fresh CR units, not the beat up crap that is running around. Then again, what does NS or CSX care. IMHO

[spatcher]

excuse me for opening an old thread, but if conrail is now CSA, why are csx and ns so wanting to paint over the few remaining conrail engines to there colors? I understand your property, your business and all that. I also get the fact that those companies want people to know whose in charge and all that.

But shouldn't there be a few engines mandated to stay in conrail colors as long as conrail still technically operated, (even though it's conrail shared assets), not just the few engines they haven't gotten around to painting over yet?

I mean as long as conrail still technically exsists why aren't there engines just becoming like...csa engines?

Why? The shared assists owns no locomotive. All locos used by SAC are leased from either the NS or CSX.

[airman00]

excuse me for opening an old thread, but if conrail is now CSA, why are csx and ns so wanting to paint over the few remaining conrail engines to there colors? I understand your property, your business and all that. I also get the fact that those companies want people to know whose in charge and all that.

But shouldn't there be a few engines mandated to stay in conrail colors as long as conrail still technically operated, (even though it's conrail shared assets), not just the few engines they haven't gotten around to painting over yet?

I mean as long as conrail still technically exsists why aren't there engines just becoming like...csa engines?

Why? The shared assists owns no locomotive. All locos used by SAC are leased from either the NS or CSX.

Yes, but those engines are running on csa trackage, and a previous post mentioned they (conrail) are a terminal and switching company, I don't know what that means, maybe someone can elaborate, but since they technically still exsist, there should at least be a handful of "csa only" engines.

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The two major concerns of the states,shippers and federal regulators to the division of Conrail between CSX and NS,were that it would stifle competition.And that one or both of the buyers would be unable to run the larger plant and service would be interupted, slowed or stopped.The plan for the first problem was the creation of Conrail Shared Assetts.So that some of the larger markets that had competing railroads before the merger would still have at least two railroads in their market area.The other problem was addressed by dividing Conrails route miles in such a way that if one or both railroads could not opperate the new system the deal could be canceled and the trackage that either railroad recieved could in theory be opperated as a stand alone railroad.Both regulations have now been canceled and either CSX or NS could buy out the other party ,or some other interest could purchase CSA.

[spatcher]

excuse me for opening an old thread, but if conrail is now CSA, why are csx and ns so wanting to paint over the few remaining conrail engines to there colors? I understand your property, your business and all that. I also get the fact that those companies want people to know whose in charge and all that.

But shouldn't there be a few engines mandated to stay in conrail colors as long as conrail still technically operated, (even though it's conrail shared assets), not just the few engines they haven't gotten around to painting over yet?

I mean as long as conrail still technically exsists why aren't there engines just becoming like...csa engines?

Why? The shared assists owns no locomotive. All locos used by SAC are leased from either the NS or CSX.

Yes, but those engines are running on csa trackage, and a previous post mentioned they (conrail) are a terminal and switching company, I don't know what that means, maybe someone can elaborate, but since they technically still exsist, there should at least be a handful of "csa only" engines.

No there shouldn't. SAC does not own any engines, so they are painted the way the company that leased them to SAC wants, in this cases either CSX or NS.
Just an example, the B&OCT is still a railroad, owns track and has employees, but no engines painted for it.

[chuchubob]

excuse me for opening an old thread, but if conrail is now CSA,..

CSA lost a war to USA 145 years ago.
Conrail is now CSAO.