A licence built Baldwin?

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A licence built Baldwin?

Postby bengt » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:47 pm

The Cockerill 608A diesel engine is said to be a licence built Baldwin diesel.

Direct to a pic http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5245/5286726782_316df1ba79_b.jpg

More pics http://www.drehscheibe-foren.de/foren/read.php?17,5225460
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Re: A licence built Baldwin?

Postby Typewriters » Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:08 pm

Yes! Cockerill built both the Baldwin 600 series under license and a later model derived from a combination of designs - namely the Baldwin 600 series and the former Lima-Hamilton T69SA / T89SA series, which latter Baldwin had continued to develop after the merger (but not used in locomotives) according to Kirkland.

If you look at my blog (see link in signature) you will find a complete design history of the BLW 600 series engines. The external features will be quickly visible as matching up with your photo.

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Re: A licence built Baldwin?

Postby Eliphaz » Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:30 pm

nothing like the sound of a big American straight-eight with eight individual exhausts !
608 powered Baldwins ( and post-war Belgian locs) were the Packards of the rails.Image
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Re: A licence built Baldwin?

Postby bengt » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:51 am

Typewriters wrote:Yes! Cockerill built both the Baldwin 600 series under license and a later model derived from a combination of designs - namely the Baldwin 600 series and the former Lima-Hamilton T69SA / T89SA series, which latter Baldwin had continued to develop after the merger (but not used in locomotives) according to Kirkland.

If you look at my blog (see link in signature) you will find a complete design history of the BLW 600 series engines. The external features will be quickly visible as matching up with your photo.

-Will Davis


Thank you!
I have put in a link to your blog.
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Re: A licence built Baldwin?

Postby hankadam » Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:43 pm

1. Yes, and what an Agreement! About the time that BLH ceased manufacture of locomotives we negotiated a License (Licence) Agreement with Cockerill. It had an initial term of five years (which would be normal) but then no expiration date: it would renew, automatically, unless cancelled by either party (very unusual). It continued on after BLH closed, and we inherited the Agreement at the Baldwin-Hamilton Company (BH). Royalties flowed in for years, and I mean large dollars. In 1991, when BH was closed, I wrote Cockerill to tell them about our demise and, in return, received a wonderful letter thanking us for all our help for over 35 years.
2. DESIGN CHANGES: The Baldwin engineers (BLW) did a lousy job of converting the A-Frame (cylinder block) from a casting to a welded design. The casting had greater strength in the sides, and rounded corners at stressed areas. The welded version started with thin side plates, mild steel, (1-4") later increased to 3-8" and finally using chrome-moly steel. That basically did the trick, but cracks still occurred at the sharp corners (see the great photos on the earlier posting). Cracking was especially severe around the camshaft box prominently shown in the photos. Cockerill's design was a great improvement and the locomotives and engines gave excellent service for decades in Morocco.
3. RENEWAL PARTS: After a while Cockerill ceased production and no longer supported the locomotives with renewal parts. However, they knew we (Baldwin Hamilton Company) could furnish this vital support and worked with us to provide all the needed parts to keep these locomotives running smoothly (Rabat and Casablanca) Parts were sold with a "Confirmed, Irrevocable Letter of Credit on a major US Bank, in US Dollars) Oh, my was it profitable!
So here we have it, a little history that has not been elucidated elsewhere. Best to All, HAR
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