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Question about "executive" units...

Postby NellsChoo » Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:56 pm

Hello all

We have had two BNSF units lurking around MA lately. People are calling them "executive" units. Can someone explain what that means? Did they once lead BNSF business trains? Or is this just an old paint scheme? Below is a photo I took of one of the units yesterday...

http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPictur ... id=3260780
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Re: Question about "executive" units...

Postby scottychaos » Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:09 pm

The particular units you are seeing were not "business train" units..
"executive" refers to that specific paint scheme, which was first used on BNSF F-units which *were* the BNSF Executive units, in the sense that
they did haul the business train..

The F-units first received the scheme in 1990, then, in 1993, the scheme was applied to over 400 BNSF SD70MAC's and the paint scheme was nicknamed "The BNSF Executive scheme" because of the F-units that originated the scheme..but the SD's were never "Executive units" in the "Business Train" sense..
(only the F-units were) but the SD70MAC's are still called "Executive units" because of their paint scheme..

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Re: Question about "executive" units...

Postby NellsChoo » Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:30 pm

Aha, OK, so it is the paint, not the trains these actually pulled. Are they unusual to see these days?
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Re: Question about "executive" units...

Postby scottychaos » Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:55 pm

quite unusual I would say!
especially in Mass!

There were "only" 428 of them..
some quick googling shows many of them are currently stored, and approx. 200 BNSF SD70MACs are still operating,
(although some of them might not be executive units, some are probably in other schemes)
But lets say 200 as a rough estimate for the still-operating Executive SD's (and that is probably high)..
The current BNSF fleet is about 3,200 locomotives..
so the executive units are about 6% of the fleet..so you have a 6% chance of seeing one, IF you are in BNSF territory! ;)
In Mass, the odds of seeing one are very very low..
so yeah, "unusual" definitely applies! :)
In Western NY, We get BNSF run-through power on CSX fairly often, and I haven't seen one in years..

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Re: Question about "executive" units...

Postby Backshophoss » Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:14 pm

That "bunch" of SD-70's were the first A/C motored engines bought by BN,ment to work the Powder River coal unit trains.
After the merger,and scads of GE's AC-44's and ES-44's wound up on the powder river coal trains,The 70MAC's started
to wander all over the BNSF.
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Re: Question about "executive" units...

Postby Engineer Spike » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:36 am

Some call the scheme Grinstein Green, since Gerald Grinstein was the president of BN at that time.
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Re: Question about "executive" units...

Postby Tadman » Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:30 am

I remember this order - it was the largest locomotive order to date other than wartime military/USRA orders. I also remember the first time I saw this units on a BN coal train in Chicago when they were spanking new. I grew up along Conrail(NYC) near South Bend and saw nothing but solid blue until the NS buyout, so it was interesting to see something different.

The executive F-unit fleet was dropped early on - they only worked for a few years. Then a few former commuter E's were painted the same, and I don't ever recall seeing those used. None of them were rebuilt or repowered, so that might be why they weren't used long for OCS trains. IRM has all of the above now, and BNSF pulls OCS trains with their newest available freight power.

See IRM Site:

BN1 http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi? ... thern=BN-1
BN2 http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi? ... thern=BN-2
BN3 http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi? ... thern=BN-3
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Re: Question about "executive" units...

Postby mtuandrew » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:07 pm

Speaking of executive trains AND executive-painted units...

I just sat down at St. Paul Union Depot, where they have a really nice outdoor patio (with four hours of free guest WiFi!) between the tracks and Kellogg Blvd. When I glanced over to my left, I saw a pair of freight locomotives (I think a C44-9 in Phase 1 BNSF paint leading, and an executive SD70MAC behind) heading up the north leg of Westminster Junction with a couple of very odd passenger cars behind. Both were either bare metal or silver paint, with no discernable markings. The first looked like an old Budd-built coach with most of the windows plated over, and the second seemed to be a gallery car. There were no cars in front of them, and I couldn't see any additional cars behind these two. Sorry I couldn't get a better description, since they were nearly a mile away, but what are these cars?

EDIT: Found it! http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 43&nseq=36 What I saw was essentially identical to this track geometry train, except with a second locomotive in front of the Executive SD70MAC.
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Re: Question about "executive" units...

Postby sd80mac » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:41 pm

Is it also that these are called "Eddie Bauer as well??

I saw somewhere on net or in mags that someone had said Eddie Bauer scheme.

Let me know if it's correct or not... If that's correct, why eddie bauer?

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Re: Question about "executive" units...

Postby GWoodle » Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:34 pm

sd80mac wrote:Is it also that these are called "Eddie Bauer as well??

I saw somewhere on net or in mags that someone had said Eddie Bauer scheme.

Let me know if it's correct or not... If that's correct, why eddie bauer?

thanks


Maybe someone driving an Eddie Bauer Ford. Special option truck/suv
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Re: Question about "executive" units...

Postby Backshophoss » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:24 pm

The "green" color on the units was close to the color used in the "Eddie Bauer" trim level by Ford,
a marketing tie -in to the "Eddie Bauer" retail stores. This was $$$ trim level.
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Re: Question about "executive" units...

Postby sd80mac » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:31 pm

Backshophoss wrote:The "green" color on the units was close to the color used in the "Eddie Bauer" trim level by Ford,
a marketing tie -in to the "Eddie Bauer" retail stores. This was $$$ trim level.



thanks... so it's one of the proper nicknames for this scheme? or is it not?
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Re: Question about "executive" units...

Postby Backshophoss » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:36 am

Would consider "Eddie Bauer" tag a local slang term,the "execs"or "executive" tag more commonly used by
most railfans.
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