Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffalo

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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby Railjunkie » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:21 pm

Jaap he dosent care about the railroads of NYS in general
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:25 pm

he has no say in matter, railroads are federal affair, not state, his only say is over tourist railroads.
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???

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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby MACTRAXX » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:27 pm

mtuandrew wrote:A $ingle main reduce$ C$X'$ taxe$. Might be a negotiating tactic to get that tax burden reduced.


Everyone:

This may well be a negotiation ploy by CSX to get concessions from NYS on property taxes and/or perhaps secure more
subsidies from NYS DOT. As Ridgefielder mentions perhaps a sale of the route to NYS to save the second track is part of
this strategy from CSX. Single tracking this busy route is likely to create more CSX service problems then it is worth...

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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby ThirdRail7 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:25 am

electricron wrote:In contractural relationships like this, who is the consumer and who is the provider?



The states are he consumer and Amtrak is the provider of the service. The state can be quite influential if they choose to be. One only needs to look at Virginia to what can happen (even with a hostile/indifferent host) if the state pushes its agenda.
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby gokeefe » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:00 am

Very much agreed. Maine's rail authority has a lot of input at multiple levels with Amtrak.
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby MattW » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:36 am

Considering the STB is now eyeing CSX, I don't think this is a worry right now.
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby Dick H » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:30 am

From the Times-Union:
50th Anniversary of Empire Service Observance on Monday, Dec. 3rd at ALB.

http://www.timesunion.com/business/arti ... 400807.php
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby BM6569 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:37 pm

Any idea what the upcoming track work on the Empire Connecion will be? Weren't they once considering restoring the 2nd track across the bridge and the unused 5th track up to Hastings-on-Hudson? I know ALB bound trains take a hit quite often at the switch there due to GCT bound MN trains as they have to wait for them to clear. Would help alleviate some congestion there.
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby jonnhrr » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:21 pm

Adding more tracks wouldn't help as Westbound Empire Service still has to cross the Eastbound tracks to GCT at grade. The only thing that would resolve that is a flying junction.

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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby Railjunkie » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:20 am

Track work is mostly for the Empire tunnel and the rail gang should be out on the connection, hopefully they will get most of it up to 60mph. Havent heard anything about a second track across the bridge at Innwood. MNRR owns CP 12 and I dont think they are going to tear it up to add access to another track.

Why on earth would MNRR want a 5th main track from CP12 to Hastings, there trains run just fine on the four tracks they have now. Dont forget in the not too distant past they were going to take out track one completely.
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby EuroStar » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:43 am

MNRR might want a 5th track of some length if Hudson Line access to Penn ever becomes a reality (while I support preserving the right of way of the existing industrial track for the longest possible stretch, I do not see any circumstance in which there will be need to extend that 5th track up to Hastings). That is also the only circumstance under which a flying junction might become justifiable in terms of cost. Until then what is there suffices.
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby east point » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:06 pm

The 5th track and 2 tracks over the SD bridge probably is needed but a far more effective solution is eliminate the bridge or at least make it secondary and build a fly over to connect to the two inside MNRR tracks.
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby Rockingham Racer » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:40 pm

Is there room there for all that?
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby Backshophoss » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:29 pm

NO!
There's ZERO room for flyover trackage,best way is to get thru put up at CP 12/DV is longer turnouts to allow faster crossover moves.
DV bridge was 2 tracked in the past,current service level for now needs 1 track across the bridge,remember the tracks are on the surface
untill the Tunnel in to Penn station,so a 60 mph MAS is fine for now.
Hudson line service into Penn can be done with P32's set up for LIRR 3rd rail,IF THERE IS a REAL NEED for it,right now there's zero interest for that.
Interest and NEED is there for service off the New Haven Line service into Penn,but needs to wait for ESA to be finished and in service.
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby ExCon90 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:31 pm

One possible benefit from having a westbound-signaled Track 5 for some distance north of DV would be the ability to shift meets as the occasion arises, letting an Amtrak train from NYP continue north (west?) on 5 to meet an MN train for GCT on 4 or 2 and cross over later on rather than sit at DV until it passes.
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