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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby Dick H » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:30 am

From the Times-Union:
50th Anniversary of Empire Service Observance on Monday, Dec. 3rd at ALB.

http://www.timesunion.com/business/arti ... 400807.php
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby BM6569 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:37 pm

Any idea what the upcoming track work on the Empire Connecion will be? Weren't they once considering restoring the 2nd track across the bridge and the unused 5th track up to Hastings-on-Hudson? I know ALB bound trains take a hit quite often at the switch there due to GCT bound MN trains as they have to wait for them to clear. Would help alleviate some congestion there.
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby jonnhrr » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:21 pm

Adding more tracks wouldn't help as Westbound Empire Service still has to cross the Eastbound tracks to GCT at grade. The only thing that would resolve that is a flying junction.

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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby Railjunkie » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:20 am

Track work is mostly for the Empire tunnel and the rail gang should be out on the connection, hopefully they will get most of it up to 60mph. Havent heard anything about a second track across the bridge at Innwood. MNRR owns CP 12 and I dont think they are going to tear it up to add access to another track.

Why on earth would MNRR want a 5th main track from CP12 to Hastings, there trains run just fine on the four tracks they have now. Dont forget in the not too distant past they were going to take out track one completely.
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby EuroStar » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:43 am

MNRR might want a 5th track of some length if Hudson Line access to Penn ever becomes a reality (while I support preserving the right of way of the existing industrial track for the longest possible stretch, I do not see any circumstance in which there will be need to extend that 5th track up to Hastings). That is also the only circumstance under which a flying junction might become justifiable in terms of cost. Until then what is there suffices.
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby east point » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:06 pm

The 5th track and 2 tracks over the SD bridge probably is needed but a far more effective solution is eliminate the bridge or at least make it secondary and build a fly over to connect to the two inside MNRR tracks.
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby Rockingham Racer » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:40 pm

Is there room there for all that?
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby Backshophoss » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:29 pm

NO!
There's ZERO room for flyover trackage,best way is to get thru put up at CP 12/DV is longer turnouts to allow faster crossover moves.
DV bridge was 2 tracked in the past,current service level for now needs 1 track across the bridge,remember the tracks are on the surface
untill the Tunnel in to Penn station,so a 60 mph MAS is fine for now.
Hudson line service into Penn can be done with P32's set up for LIRR 3rd rail,IF THERE IS a REAL NEED for it,right now there's zero interest for that.
Interest and NEED is there for service off the New Haven Line service into Penn,but needs to wait for ESA to be finished and in service.
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Re: Amtrak Empire Service (NYS) Improvements Albany - Buffal

Postby ExCon90 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:31 pm

One possible benefit from having a westbound-signaled Track 5 for some distance north of DV would be the ability to shift meets as the occasion arises, letting an Amtrak train from NYP continue north (west?) on 5 to meet an MN train for GCT on 4 or 2 and cross over later on rather than sit at DV until it passes.
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Empire Corridor is in remarkably good shape

Postby adamj023 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:54 am

While there are many bad sections of Amtrak, the Empire Corridor itself seems to be in remarkably good shape. Lots of projects have been done with adding additional trackage and modernizing track and signals and the like across the line with multiple new stations on the route including Niagra Falls and Rochester. Also On Time statistics are decent as well with low delays overall.

Anyone know what projects are left? I know Schenectady station is still under construction but the railroad structure itself was redone, Supposedly Amfleet I refurbishment will be ready in March 2018 as well from what I heard. Also Empire Corridor seems to have higher speed rail sections as well.

Route is subsidized through New York State which apparently is very aggressive with transportation funding right now. Uses Amtrak, Metro North and CSX. The Canadian portion if you cross over is Canadian National.
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Re: Empire Corridor is in remarkably good shape

Postby Railjunkie » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:04 am

Tie gang should be busy this spring, ties laid out from Rhinecliffe to the division post with MNRR. PTC is up and running on much of MNRR and should be running on the Amtrak portion between MNRR and Hoffmans by July. This summer Amtrak will be doing work not only in Penn but also on the Empire connector and Empire tunnel. Trains will be re routed into GCT.

CSX is always busy with rail and tie work in the summer months. I havent heard of any major projects yet...
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Re: Empire Corridor is in remarkably good shape

Postby adamj023 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:15 pm

Past projects included new added trackage and stations and the like. I forgot to mention that a new Buffalo exchange street station is also in the works and demolition of the old station will be done in the not too distant future, which should be located close to the old site.

Other parts on Amtrak seem to have major bottlenecks still and old infrastructure but Empire Corridor had lots of major projects already completed so trains can move faster and without stopping. I agree, a little more work into summer but after that other than routine maintenance and perhaps future high speed upgrades, Empire Corridor will really good. Still not at an optimal state quite yet though. Northeastern corridor still has major bottlenecks like Portal Bridge and other parts.
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Re: Empire Corridor is in remarkably good shape

Postby Greg Moore » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:00 pm

The one issue I have with the Empire corridor is that times have slowed down over the past few decades. Back around the turn of the century I recall routinely doing ALB-NYP in 2:20 per the timetable (and once in 2:10 NB on the last train on Friday night and that was with a 10 minute hold at POU!)

Now routinely time table times are 2:30 and 2:40.
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Re: Empire Corridor is in remarkably good shape

Postby Matt Johnson » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:04 pm

Greg Moore wrote:The one issue I have with the Empire corridor is that times have slowed down over the past few decades. Back around the turn of the century I recall routinely doing ALB-NYP in 2:20 per the timetable (and once in 2:10 NB on the last train on Friday night and that was with a 10 minute hold at POU!)

Now routinely time table times are 2:30 and 2:40.


Metro North downgraded from 95 to 90 mph, and then from 90 mph to 80 more recently. Not sure how much of a difference that makes. My other issue (aside from the whole debacle of Pataki's disastrous high speed rail program) is that at the turn of the century, you could still get food on the trains! Now, if you want a snack or even a coffee, you're out of luck unless it's a train operating beyond Albany.
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Re: Empire Corridor is in remarkably good shape

Postby Greg Moore » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:41 pm

Yeah, food's an issue. But that said, I think the correct approach there would be do something like the Downeaster service and have NYS pay for it, but focus on NYS products.

Getting a nice Nine-Pin Cider on the way home would be nice.

Make sure it's made in NYS and promote it. That's the sort of thing Cuomo loves.

(and yes, the MNRR downgrades are the main reason for the change in times. North of POU stuff is still nice and fast as I understand it, including some nice 110mph running.)
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