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Re: New Atlanta Station

Postby east point » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:53 am

Gilbert B Norman wrote:Messrs. O'Keefe and Stolberg; no wonder Marietta can be considered a railfan hot spot, as that is where the N,C, & StL (route of the Georgian and The Great Locomotive Chase and the line to Cincinnati (route of The Flamingo) converge. .


Mr. Norman you have it slightly wrong. The NC&SL route from Chattanooga and the L&N mainline route from Cincinnati - Knoxville converge at Cartersville, Ga. Now L&N's old line ( hook and eye ) came thru Copperhill Tn. down to Marietta to join the NC&SL route. That route is now run by the Georgia Northeastern RR from Copperhill to Marietta.
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Re: New Atlanta Station

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:52 am

Stand corrected, Mr. East Point.

All I know is that Vinings is a hot spot, at which you can have a good pizza and take in the action from both lines.
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Re: New Atlanta Station

Postby gokeefe » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:41 am

Gilbert B Norman wrote:Accordingly, I doubt if Yager (too lazy to find the ASCII code for "a" with dots on top) would be too receptive for proposals for any kind of passenger train on his rails, for we all know railroading is "precision" :P


Waiting someone out on a multi-decade effort is not something that I see as insurmountable. Inconvenient? Perhaps. But not insurmountable.

Loss of rights of way, and/or a lack of public will? Might as well just walk away ...
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Re: New Atlanta Station

Postby east point » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:38 pm

6 years from the AJC editorial and absolutely nothing done. Now the POLs are trying to get someone to build in the downtown RR gulch. That might sink any future station in that location .
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Re: New Atlanta Station

Postby Bob Roberts » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:20 pm

Although some signs are pointing to it being the most likely location for Amazon HQ2. Its not impossible that the Atlanta proposal includes some promises of intercity and commuter rail and Amazon's RFP suggests they would value being located on top of a station. Disclaimer: all speculation, yada yada

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/new ... j=79109761
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Re: New Atlanta Station

Postby Arlington » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:41 pm

Amazon would definitely be the sort of anchor tenant who'd insist that space be left for a train station if their site straddled a passenger rail line.
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Re: New Atlanta Station

Postby jstolberg » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:50 pm

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Re: New Atlanta Station

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:40 am

Mr. Stolberg, it is widely circulated that mass transit availability is a factor in the selection process for the Amazon HQ2. While even though both Terminal and Union stations are gone, the rail infrastructure is intact. There must be visions within the passenger rail community of regional/commuter service extending outward on all the major "spokes" of the rail system that was developed before the Civil War and placed Atlanta on the map as a transportation center without being located along a navigable waterway (OK; kyaks on the Chattahoochee).

All that is well and good to dream of, and since this is the Amtrak Forum, let's throw in a state-funded Corridor or two.

Most immediate to a possible HQ2 is the absence of any MARTA rail into Cobb County. This is where the upwardly affluent fan base for the Braves is from, so they built their new stadium up there. Cobb is more than happy to build "Lexus Lanes" along 75 and 575, but I know one Lex, i.e. mine, that has seen Atlanta but not those Lanes. Needless to say, they have blocked any initiatives to have rail in their county, and that will be a negative to Amazon.
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Re: New Atlanta Station

Postby orulz » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:15 pm

Gwinnett will vote on whether or not to join MARTA in March. No commuter rail extension is planned, but a short heavy rail extension is.

Part of Cobb is likely to eventually vote on joining, too. What they would build is not clear yet, but while Heavy rail is unlikely, commuter rail is a distinct possibility.

Clayton County has already joined MARTA and they are actively planning a commuter rail line to Lovejoy, and they have money to build it. Problem is, the line ends at East Point. This allows for a transfer to MARTA heavy rail, but East Point is not much of a destination itself.

So the prospects for commuter rail in Atlanta are better than they've ever been. While the 2013 plan for Downtown Atlanta was so pie-in-the-sky that it never had a chance, something right-sized and in the right place would clearly be a good thing.

On the other hand, read this article:
http://www.threadatl.org/2018/01/23/gulch-plans-rule-out-expansion-of-rail-transit-in-downtown-atlanta/

CIM Group, the developer for the Gulch, has planned a parking deck that will take up literally all the ground level space in the Gulch, leaving no space for tracks and platforms. Whether this is a serious proposal, or a strawman to get officials to cough up incentives, I can't say. Much of the negotiation for this is going on behind closed doors, so, who's to say.
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Re: New Atlanta Station

Postby Arlington » Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:51 am

Is it really that bad? They don't directly build on the ROW. Will they leave room above?
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Re: New Atlanta Station

Postby jstolberg » Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:24 pm

New anchor tenant could have the initials NS.
https://www.bisnow.com/atlanta/news/office/rail-giant-eyeing-hq-relocation-to-gulch-92624

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Re: New Atlanta Station

Postby east point » Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:59 pm

orulz wrote:So the prospects for commuter rail in Atlanta are better than they've ever been. While the 2013 plan for Downtown Atlanta was so pie-in-the-sky that it never had a chance, something right-sized and in the right place would clearly be a good thing.

On the other hand, read this article:
http://www.threadatl.org/2018/01/23/gulch-plans-rule-out-expansion-of-rail-transit-in-downtown-atlanta/



Ends at East Point.not likely. There is much local traffic past Ft. Gillem.. NS still runs trains on the old Cof Ga past Lovejoy and to Griffin eventually to Macon as reliever of the SOU RR more direct and faster route.


Ther are problems of Atlanta getting commuter rail. If the gulch gets built on there is no location left close to connecting to MARTA except maybe Doraville and that may be gone as well. Unless track and platforms are laid out before building over the gulch that location will be lost forever.

The next problem is if a downtown location for a station is found close to MARTA the problem of Howell CP has to be mitigated. The present Daily delays for the Crescent at that location are unacceptable. It is a maxi Create type project in our opinion the only way to make it correct is to have the two CSX main lines tunnel under the NS (SOU RR ) lines. CSX not interested as they were there first so Atlanta & Georgia governments would have to pony up the billion + money +++.

Additional connections from CSX and NS from the north will be needed at Howell to enable full fluidity. There are 6 possible end points from the north and that cuts down to 4 at Howell. A maximum type ZOO with more connections from north are possible than the PRR ZOO. As well the 2 CSX and 2 NS main tracks south of Howell to downtown will have to become joint use age tracks with CPs to enable fluid operation.

Possible yes but not probable. Atlanta will become the comuter nightmare of the USA.
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Re: New Atlanta Station

Postby east point » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:12 pm

For those who want to see the layout of Howell go to the link and page down to Appendix "D" and dig in for some reading.

http://www.dot.ga.gov/InvestSmart/Rail/ ... -26-16.pdf
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