Lake Shore Limited

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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Postby Arlington » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:28 am

My observation is:
1) Physically Full is the New Normal: All transport networks (road, rail & air) are using better information systems (signal/sensor/forecasts) to operate closer to theoretical capacity. Mostly this means we're doing more and more with a fixed amount of infrastructure, but it also means that all modes operate with little physical slack for snafus
2) Pinpoint Weather is the New Normal: forecasting has gotten better and pinpointing location (at ZIP level), timing (by the hour), and weather events
3) Videoconference changes the calculus. Work/Sales can increasingly be done from home and by video. That makes cancelling a commute or business trip easier. At the same time the danger that trapped passengers will live-stream their misery makes stranding people a bigger PR disaster than in the past.

The combined effect of physically-full systems, accurate weather, and video-virtual presence implies that mass pre-cancellation will be the new normal.
- Governors & employers telling folks to work from home (rather than get trapped in a snowy homebound rush; and frankly they're often decently productive)
- Airlines pre-cancelling all flights at airports (rather than strand people in planes on runways without gates, and they seem to have the right mix of cancel and re-accommodation)
- Railroads (particularly commuter ones) pre-cancelling a day's service, or implementing a "snow schedule"

Each mode has gotten "bitten" by the winter in the recent past. Interstates filled with cars bogged down by snow. Airline horror stories of people on planes with no food and full lavatories. Commuter rail iced or unpowered.

Expect the trend of the e-world surpassing and suppressing the passenger transport world to continue.
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Postby Jeff Smith » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:32 pm

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/no-inj ... n-station/

Three cars of the train have derailed, and no injuries have been reported, according to Fire Media.

Amtrak spokesman Marc Magliari said inbound train No. 49, which originated in New York, was traveling at a “low speed” when it derailed. He said no one was injured, and passengers were taken off the train and were being assisted into the station, he said.

Metra reported that its Southwest Service train 811 was delayed about 25 minutes at Union Station due to a “derailment not involving a Metra train” Monday. No further delays were expected.

A passenger on the Amtrak train posted a short video.

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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Postby Backshophoss » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:32 pm

Another picked switch since the NYP sideswipe,that's not good. :(
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Postby hs3730 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:20 pm

Any chance at some Superliners pinch hitting tonight, or were they able to make up a new single level train in time?
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Postby DutchRailnut » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:38 pm

Believe they made up spare consist with spare cars and a few cars from cardinal.
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Postby twropr » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:00 pm

Last night (Wed. Nov 8) #449 was terminated just west of Framingham due to a pedestrian strike (not sure if #449 or an MBTA was the culprit). Anyway, passengers were bussed to Albany-Rensselaer and #49 went west, albeit 1'49" LT, as just the NY section (2 P42s and 8 cars).
Should be interesting to see if Chicago adds any cars to this consist when making up #48 to come east.
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Postby F40CFan » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:03 am

Not to nitpick, but the culprit was the pedestrian. As a conductor friend of mine once said, stay off the tracks and you'll never get hit.
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Postby Railjunkie » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:03 am

AMT 449 was the train involved it happened in Ashland MA. AMT 49 took and additional delay in Albany waiting for buses.
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Postby hs3730 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:16 pm

I was wondering what had happened to 449 - it was showing no data and 49 had arrived 8 minutes early at ALB only to leave 1:50 late. Wednesday's Late for Sure never even had a chance...
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Postby jonnhrr » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:09 pm

It would be a bummer if you were a sleeper passenger on 449 and there weren't free rooms on 49 - means either canceling your trip or riding coach to Chicago.
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Postby BandA » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:11 am

Out of seeming respect to the deceased, they never get to the root cause of these pedestrian accidents. Headphones? Suicide? Unfamiliar with how trains work? Shortcut gone bad? We usually never find out.
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Postby ut-1 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:11 pm

Here's a short video showing the eastbound Lake Shore just past sunset last night at Big Nose Curve, Yosts, NY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKLbboOBrjg
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Postby bostontrainguy » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:17 pm

ut-1 wrote:Here's a short video showing the eastbound Lake Shore just past sunset last night at Big Nose Curve, Yosts, NY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKLbboOBrjg


Looks like way too many passengers for a single cafe car!
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Postby dumpster.penguin » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:22 pm

On a recent eastbound trip, the Lake Shore lingered 18 minutes in Rochester. Numerous contributing factors: the station did not announce which end would be New York vs Boston, so boarding passengers were misplaced; crew of the New York section opened only one door, as far as I could see; passengers were welcomed aboard before about a carload of disembarking passengers had managed to fight their way to the exit!; and after that mess had resolved itself, the train made a second stop for first class.

I had expected the new high platform to bring improvements. But the Lake Shore resists.
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Re: Lake Shore Limited

Postby johnpbarlow » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:41 pm

The New Year's Eve arrival of train 448 did not go well .. so close and yet ...:

http://www.wcvb.com/article/boston-bound-passengers-spend-first-hours-of-new-year-stuck-on-train/14525709

Based on the somewhat confusing text of the final paragraph and given I don't see a 449 en route to Springfield, MA currently on Amtrak's Track A Train map, it looks like passengers on the westbound 449 of 1/1/18 are being bussed to Albany/Rensselaer. I'm guessing late arrival of the 448 made it not possible to turn the equipment in time.
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