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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Postby Matt Johnson » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:09 pm

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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Postby Arlington » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:27 pm

Boondoggle is too strong, in my opinion, for what amounts to the same PTC and crossing-protection problems that have ripened nationwide over the last 10 years. Sure, it is probably made worse by having to coordinate with UP as landlord instead of having it owned by Amtrak (NHV-HFD) or a state (Michigan, Washington).
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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Postby east point » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:24 pm

Anyone know how the crossing signals are activated ? PTC or the standard audio system or something else ?
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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Postby Backshophoss » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:28 am

This is ITCS territory? Or does UP want to put in their Cab signal system(CCS) and I-ETMS PTC and get rid of ITCS setup?
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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Postby eolesen » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:03 am

Boondoggle is too weak. UP got some great upgrades, but passengers (and taxpayers) haven't really benefited.

Obama prescribed $11B in high speed spending projects nationwide. Aside from a few construction jobs and a lot of consulting fees, there's not much to show for that.
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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Postby EuroStar » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:40 am

110mph in mixed traffic with non-grade separated right of way is hard. The political risk the first time a train running at that speed crashed into a car or a truck on the tracks at a grade crossing is just too high for everyone involved. In Europe this would be much easier, but here politics with the demands of various constituencies to be bought out by including their pet projects into the big picture jacks up the cost by at least a factor of 4.

As for the $11B, there are some projects that are up and running: the Springfield-New Haven line comes to mind, but yeah, most of them are still far from completion or do not represent new service, only improvements to older infrastructure and such improvements are mostly invisible to the average traveller (such as the minor speed bump from constant tension catenary coming to part of New Jersey's portion of the NEC).
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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Postby Bob Roberts » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:48 am

eolesen wrote:Obama prescribed $11B in high speed spending projects nationwide. Aside from a few construction jobs and a lot of consulting fees, there's not much to show for that.


Double track from Charlotte to Greensboro, a new passenger equipment storage and maintenance yard in Charlotte, a few new (old) train sets for NCDOT and Raleigh Union station (and a bunch of smaller track improvements on the NCRR and CSX A line) were all products of NC's $500 millionish share. All of it is finished and in use (well actually the Charlotte equipment yard is waiting on Charlotte Gateway completion in a couple years)

We are still waiting on an additional Piedmont frequency (possibly late this year IIRC) and we never saw the promised speed increase to 90mph.

Norfolk Southern likes the improvements (and I suspect they wish that the same treatment was given to CLT-ATL trackage).
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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Postby east point » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:01 pm

Bob Roberts wrote:

We are still waiting on an additional Piedmont frequency (possibly late this year IIRC) and we never saw the promised speed increase to 90mph.

Norfolk Southern likes the improvements (and I suspect they wish that the same treatment was given to CLT-ATL trackage).



The CLT - Greensboro double track has enabled the Crescent to save sometimes as much as 30 minutes under schedule. CLT - ATL trackage is different. A survey that of course is not scientific has shown both Crescents to loose 30 - 60 minutes CLT <> ATL. Checking the speeds of the trains on Amtrak status very seldom has either 19 or 20 exceeded 60 MPH CLT <> ATL. What does ETT show as MAS ?
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Re: Illinois Amtrak Service

Postby Tadman » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:57 pm

eolesen wrote:Boondoggle is too weak. UP got some great upgrades, but passengers (and taxpayers) haven't really benefited.

Obama prescribed $11B in high speed spending projects nationwide. Aside from a few construction jobs and a lot of consulting fees, there's not much to show for that.


Agreed. What did we get for Illinois HSR? Or that miracle third track in NW Indiana that can still see Detroit trains strangled by an hour or so?

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