Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

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Re: Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

Postby Tommy Meehan » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:53 am

Having looked at the Amtrak Empire Service schedule what surprised me was the times the Amtrak trains will use GCT. I had read it was three pairs of Amtrak trains but it was going to be during evening hours. The departures at 11:15AM and 2:15PM seem okay but 5:48PM is a surprise. The arrival at 10:54AM shouldn't be a problem but 7:34AM and 5:16PM are very busy times. Still it's only one train at a time. I presume the 5:16PM/5:48PM arr-dpt 242/239 [see below] will turn, possibly loop. If so I would guess there will be some problems with that one. That's a pretty tight turnaround at an extremely busy time.
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Re: Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:55 am

no loop at all, see post before.
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Re: Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

Postby Tommy Meehan » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:01 am

I understand that's the plan but why the reluctance to use the loop? A couple of other questions occur. Which end of the train will the MNR locomotive be on? Will it run through to Albany Rensselaer? Have they decided?
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Re: Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

Postby Patrick A. » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:54 am

Tommy there will not be an MNR loco on the set. Amtrak has modified a few P32 sets' shoes to be at MNRR 3rd rail height and further modded some P42s to have a control switch for selecting electric/diesel mode. Sets will have a loco at either end so no need to loop or have an MNRR loco.
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Re: Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

Postby Tommy Meehan » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:59 am

No MNR locomotive and the P42 gets shut down in the tunnel. Thanks, got it!
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Re: Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:17 pm

the reluctance of using loop is, it would require yard crews to take train around and back into platform, it would tie-up part of terminal during these moves .
while with the two engine setup the train will arrive in one move , with no hassle.
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Re: Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

Postby MattW » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:10 pm

Two questions, Dutch. Why does that require a yard crew, and doesn't the loop have two platforms or so on it? I understand that turning won't be required, but I'm still curious as to your statements.
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Re: Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:05 pm

first moving trains with passengers around loop is a no no, it can only be done with permission of superintendent of transportation.
why ? cause in case of fire or derailment there is no way to evacuate the train.
why yard crew, road crews from foreign railroads do not move trains within plant.
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Re: Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

Postby Amtrak7 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:20 pm

Did MNR OK Amtrak into the entirety of the upper level, or are they going to be restricted to a couple tracks?
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Re: Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:34 pm

they could end up anywhere, not just upper but also lower level.
yet only upper level has 480 volt stand by lines.
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Re: Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

Postby JamesRR » Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:18 pm

MattW wrote:Two questions, Dutch. Why does that require a yard crew, and doesn't the loop have two platforms or so on it? I understand that turning won't be required, but I'm still curious as to your statements.


The loop only has platforms for unloading arriving trains (or technically, loading trains for departure) - originally, trains were meant to arrive on the loop tracks, empty, swing around the loop for maintenance and storage at the eastern yard. There are no platforms on the east side b/c it's a yard.
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Re: Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

Postby RearOfSignal » Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:25 pm

Amtrak7 wrote:Did MNR OK Amtrak into the entirety of the upper level, or are they going to be restricted to a couple tracks?


As last I heard, Amtrak will be restricted to tracks 38(if consist is not double ended and needed to be looped) and 15. No Amtrak movements on the lower level. Amtrak crews only qualified on the upper level, a MNR engineer would be needed for any switching moves in the terminal.
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Re: Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

Postby DutchRailnut » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:08 am

MN has two pilot crew jobs awarded out of Harmon, both C and E one crew does one round trip, second crew starting later does two round trips.
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Re: Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

Postby Tommy Meehan » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:26 am

Another question that came up, will they be turning the seats? Can the Amtrak train crew do that? How about on 242/239 where they only have 32 minutes to get everyone off, get the outbound passengers on board, do an air test and go? Can they also change the seats in that amount of time?
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Re: Amtrak Grand Central Terminal Operations

Postby shadyjay » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:47 am

Maybe they'll do the half-half seats like they used to do on the Vermonter and still do on the Downeaster, for trains that operate push-pull and are not turned.
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